Unreleased and New Card Discussion

[folding_music]

i wish the new blue Proft had been a dragon, basically that exact card would be such a workhorse for Korlessa, Scale Singer
(holds finger to ear) they're telling me no-one cares about Korlessa, Scale Singer

[TheGildedGoose]

i wish the new blue Proft had been a dragon, basically that exact card would be such a workhorse for Korlessa, Scale Singer
(holds finger to ear) they're telling me no-one cares about Korlessa, Scale Singer

Every time I see you doom posting - sarcastic or not - I want to shake you and remind you of the *gulp* Universes Within slate next year. Just close your eyes every other release and scream into a pillow, like I do.

[Mookie]

More stuff!

• Vraska's Final Mercy is a Night's Whisper // Fell modal card. Neither half excites me that much, but the overall package seems pretty reasonable.
• The Echoverse Fulcrum is a colorless board wipe. Seems like an excellent inclusion in Tribute Mage and Muddle the Mixture packages - seven mana is obviously a lot for a wipe, but blue and green decks usually don't have access to a clean wipe.
• Sphinx of False Conclusions is neat. I can't think of similar cards other than Vaultborn Tyrant, but seems like an abusable ability... and I wouldn't be surprised to see more in the future. Looting on attack isn't necessarily the most powerful ability, but seems like a solid package.
• Identity Echo is a color-shifted Proteus Staff (minus library-stacking shenanigans). Exiling does limit some shenanigans, and it is a little more expensive to activate, but seems like a fun build-around.
• Carnivorous Cultivator // Enroot looks a bit like a better Ramunap Excavator. One of the weaknesses of Excavator is that it doesn't do anything unless you already have a land in your graveyard to recur, but Cultivator can find one itself. You do need to actually connect, but at least deathtouch means it can actually meaningfully participate in combat.
• Vindictive Triumph is sort of fun as removal. A bit like Come Back Wrong?
• Gideon's Memorial is a two mana rock with upside, albeit only for planeswalkers. Most decks will probably prefer Intangible Virtue, but seems nice for superfriends.
• Lyra, Tolarian Archangel bugs me slightly because Resplendent Angel isn't legendary. Still neat though.
• Fblthp, Impossibly Lost - draw two? That's pretty strong for a 2-drop, even if you do shuffle it away. Laboratory Maniac text is also relevant.
• Fblthp, Knows the Way is just okay as a fancy Borderland Ranger. I'll note that you can also get snow lands though, and there are certainly some decks that would love to put a pile of lands into hand. If you can turn this into 'GGX: draw X', I think you'll be pretty happy.
• Geist of Saint Thalia is arguably a better Baral, Chief of Compliance. A bit smaller, but relevant keyword and better ability.
• Vraska, Soul of Stone is another Kykar, Wind's Fury. Not as explosive, but there are plenty of treasure synergies. I'm not sure if Doomed Artisan is a good inclusion or a bad one.
• Heartwood Crafter looks a bit like a fancy Wood Elves, but seems very strong if you have enough other mana sinks for its own mana ability. At the very least it can help power out (most) commanders.

[folding_music]

i wish the new blue Proft had been a dragon, basically that exact card would be such a workhorse for Korlessa, Scale Singer
(holds finger to ear) they're telling me no-one cares about Korlessa, Scale Singer

Every time I see you doom posting - sarcastic or not - I want to shake you and remind you of the *gulp* Universes Within slate next year. Just close your eyes every other release and scream into a pillow, like I do.

Nauctis does sound really fun, I hope they're planning something big. I mean tales of the sea are often horrific, mythic, erotic... kinda hope they allow the team to get a bit wild. so many of the outside properties they're adapting are sterile in those departments. craving something like a modern Ice Age

[Wanli]

Gideon's Memorial seems tailor made for Quintorius, History Chaser - cast your commander a turn earlier, then boost the tokens you're creating. Can also protect against attacks and play into discard synergies. Very versatile.

I'm also considering Face Yourself for the same deck, but less sure about it - after all, I've only just cut Moonshaker Cavalry, why go for another finisher that costs almost as much? What I like about the red sorcery (apart from the art) is that it's usable if you yourself have a decent board, but also if you have fallen behind and another player has an imposing army to be copied.

[CommanderMaster999]

Another Displacer Kitten!

ofcourse its worse since it only triggers with creatures, and only targets creatures outside itself.

however, we all know this can be abused just as easy anyway, obviously another Shrieking Drake/Whitemane Lion like cards combo piece. or maybe anything with Cloudstone Curio/Temur Sabertooth

[DirkGently]

ugh, displacer kitten wasn't the sort of card i wanted more of.

[MAGUSZANIN]

Arguably a better version of Displacer Kitten. Does not protect itself, but it also doesn't need you to split your deck between creature and noncreature spells.

In a lot of cases I only play a few versions of Ghostway in my blink decks, instead relying on single target versions and maybe 5 or so that get everything. This gives me a version that just does the thing when I see one of my Spirited Companions.

[NZB2323]

Rise of the deathbringer seems fantastic in Ygra, Eater of All.

[Wanli]

Rise of the deathbringer seems fantastic in Ygra, Eater of All.

Considering it for Hashaton, Scarab's Fist, both modes seem relevant there. Fairly tight list already though; will see if there's space for another expensive spell.

[Moxnix]

I like combo and even use the cards when the power is right but man do the on card self looping things like palinchron and this feel like lazy / poor design guess it speaks to power creep when they can print a 4 drop that combos with any ham sandwich and go no this isn't even that good it costs 4 needs other non vintage power cards to combo its fine lol. Im sure the people on lord of the beach will be ready to bounce drake/lion and cloud of fairies/drake/chron for days. Always great with the self looping combo cards want to all play together lol

[Mookie]

More stuff!

• Omnipresence isn't quite Omniscience... but it's cheaper, in the color that can ramp into it, and effectively the same once you have enough creatures. Seems pretty absurd, and arguably the best green 8-drop since Craterhoof Behemoth. You do need to have a board for it to function though.
• Seasoned Cryomancer is more targeted at 60-card formats, but drawing two cards out of the graveyard on an activated ability is neat.
• Darklight Phoenix is a free recursive body, assuming you're sacrificing stuff regularly. Sacrificing stuff on your own turn can be awkward at times though. I suppose I can always just sacrifice it and a Teysa token to bring it back immediately though.
• Curse-Marred Demon Gambles on ETB, which seems fun.
• Draconic Visitor turns treasures (and other artifact tokens) into dragons.
• Simulacrum Shaper is some significant power creep over Farhaven Elf. It does require an extra color pip though, which can make it awkward if you're relying on it for fixing. I do generally like higher-pipped cards though.
• Flickering Hound is a very powerful engine, similar to Displacer Kitten. I feel like I usually see Kitten flicker Coveted Jewel and other mana rocks, but there are certainly plenty of good creatures to flicker too. Probably harder to storm off unless you have a Peregrine Drake or something out though.
• Kindred Judgment is a colorshifted Kindred Dominance, which I've generally considered to be a bit overcosted. Still, seems like a fine option if you're building around a random creature type.
• Rise of the Deathbringer is a solid draw spell // instant-speed wipe. I'm not entirely sold on it, but I'll believe it's good.
• Pyre Rhymer gives you access to a color-shifted High Tide / Bubbling Muck. Being on a three mana creature makes it significantly less explosive, unfortunately.
• Roiling Canopy doesn't kill people quite as consistently as Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle, but green is a much better support color. Yavimaya, Cradle of Growth says hi.
• Variable Chaser is a color-shifted Wheel of Fortune.... or a color-returned Timetwister? Either way, seems more consistent than Naktamun Lorespinner // Wheel of Fortune.
• Pia, Aether Ascetic lets you tutor up enchantments on ETB. If only there were some splashy green enchantments to tutor up...

[Hermes_]

Because Jace rewrote everything and this doesn't take place in the normal timeline, isn't Reality Fracture technically a universes beyond set?

[MAGUSZANIN]

Because Jace rewrote everything and this doesn't take place in the normal timeline, isn't Reality Fracture technically a universes beyond set?

By this logic, when can we expect Emrakul, the Aeons Torn to eat TMNT Earth?

[NZB2323]

Because Jace rewrote everything and this doesn't take place in the normal timeline, isn't Reality Fracture technically a universes beyond set?

The actual timeline interacts with Jace's timeline. That's like saying Endgame didn't take place in the MCU because they interacted with an alternate timeline.

[Serenade]

"Creatures you control have trample" only costs one mana in its #2 color? That's pretty nice!

[onering]

Because Jace rewrote everything and this doesn't take place in the normal timeline, isn't Reality Fracture technically a universes beyond set?

By this logic, when can we expect Emrakul, the Aeons Torn to eat TMNT Earth?

If Emrakul nommed TMNT out of Magic existence, I'd actually like the Eldrazi

[illakunsaa]

The green Pia seems extremely degenerate. I was just looking some bad deck ideas and I found that green has huge number of extremely strong enchantments but lack consistent support for them.

Eg.
aluren
Food Chain
Omenpath Journey
Lost in the Woods
Defense of the Heart
City of Solitude
Etc.

There is like million directions you can take her and you dont need to include bunch draw to find important synergy pieces.

[Ruiner]

Pia is also nice for reanimator since she tosses a card and finds Animate Dead or Necromancy.

[MAGUSZANIN]

Even outside of higher power combo/reanimation lists, new Pia finds a strong enchantment while putting something else into your graveyard for a later Replenish effect, which is itself very strong.

[tstorm823]

More stuff!

• Omnipresence isn't quite Omniscience... but it's cheaper, in the color that can ramp into it, and effectively the same once you have enough creatures. Seems pretty absurd, and arguably the best green 8-drop since Craterhoof Behemoth. You do need to have a board for it to function though.

I wish it cost 9 for Grozoth.dec. Hypergenesis also definitely in that list.

[CommanderMaster999]

ummmm yea... 1 mana everyone trample seems good

and even with that you got a repeatable Fireball if you can bounce it to hand

[Moxnix]

I agree the green pia is really good i have a few enchantress storm piles that go off around turn 5 with earth craft but if i had more ways to find it maybe i can make that 4.

[onering]

Green Pia, Ulamog and Kozilek, Lost in the Woods, and 96 forests.

[Hermes_]

Green Pia, Ulamog and Kozilek, Lost in the Woods, and 96 forests.

*evil laugh gif*