Ob Nixilis, the Unplayed

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Post by DirkGently » 4 months ago

Idk what made me want to build this deck. If you want a mono-black planeswalker deck, Liliana, Heretical Healer // Liliana, Defiant Necromancer is probably the way to go. But whatever, threw it together so here it is.
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There's sort of a deathtouch and a recursion theme going on, mostly to try to make it different from my liliana deck from a few years back which was just all board wipes. The main thing I learned was that Nixilis' ult is really awkward. I was always sitting on some large-ish creatures (usually 5/5 tokens) and feeling like I'd probably maximize my winrate by sacrificing it, but would ultimately slow down my victory by removing board presence. I guess it's nice to have to make actual decisions, but I don't like having to decide between the right move and not wasting peoples' time.
Perm Decks
Phelddagrif - Kaervek - Golos - Zirilan

Flux Decks
Lukka - Sefris - Ebondeath - Rokiric - Garth - Nixilis - Grist - Mavinda - Kumano - Nezahal - Mavinda - Plargg - Plargg - Extus - Plargg - Oracle - Kardur - Halvar - Tergrid - Egon - Cosima - Halana+Livio - Jeska+Falthis+Obosh - Yeva - Akiri+Zirda - Lady Sun - Nahiri - Korlash - Overlord+Zirda - Chisei - Athreos2 - Akim - Cazur+Ukkima - Otrimi - Otrimi - Kalamax - Ayli+Lurrus - Clamilton - Gonti - Heliod2 - Ayula - Thassa2 - Gallia - Purphoros2 - Rankle - Uro - Rayami - Gargos - Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa - Ashling1 - Angus - Arcum - Talrand - Chainer - Higure - Kumano - Scion - Teferi1 - Uyo - Sisters
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote
Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena
Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6

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Post by Sinis » 4 months ago

Having played Liliana, Heretical Healer, I think it's also a terrible option. If I wanted to play a mono-black deck with a walker at the helm, I'd play Tevesh Szat, Doom of Fools+any monoblack partner.

I think the thing Ob Nixilis suffers the most from is that there's no clear direction for it to go in. Lifegain? Demon Tribal? What do you do with it?!

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Post by DirkGently » 4 months ago

Also having played her, imo liliana gives a very clear direction - hardline board control. Use removal to protect her until she ults, then use it as control magics once she does. And any sac outlets just go bananas. Her ult is completely insane, one of the strongest around imo.

Ob's ult is the only thing that really points a direction - I mean it's fine with stuff like Bloodghast, or demon tokens if they're gonna die, or whatever. But yeah it's pretty open-ended and not crazy strong imo. I kinda just wanted to build a deck to get his ult off and see how good it was. Turns out it's kinda clunky.
Perm Decks
Phelddagrif - Kaervek - Golos - Zirilan

Flux Decks
Lukka - Sefris - Ebondeath - Rokiric - Garth - Nixilis - Grist - Mavinda - Kumano - Nezahal - Mavinda - Plargg - Plargg - Extus - Plargg - Oracle - Kardur - Halvar - Tergrid - Egon - Cosima - Halana+Livio - Jeska+Falthis+Obosh - Yeva - Akiri+Zirda - Lady Sun - Nahiri - Korlash - Overlord+Zirda - Chisei - Athreos2 - Akim - Cazur+Ukkima - Otrimi - Otrimi - Kalamax - Ayli+Lurrus - Clamilton - Gonti - Heliod2 - Ayula - Thassa2 - Gallia - Purphoros2 - Rankle - Uro - Rayami - Gargos - Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa - Ashling1 - Angus - Arcum - Talrand - Chainer - Higure - Kumano - Scion - Teferi1 - Uyo - Sisters
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote
Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena
Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6

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Post by Sinis » 4 months ago

DirkGently wrote:
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Also having played her, imo liliana gives a very clear direction - hardline board control. Use removal to protect her until she ults, then use it as control magics once she does. And any sac outlets just go bananas. Her ult is completely insane, one of the strongest around imo.

Ob's ult is the only thing that really points a direction - I mean it's fine with stuff like Bloodghast, or demon tokens if they're gonna die, or whatever. But yeah it's pretty open-ended and not crazy strong imo. I kinda just wanted to build a deck to get his ult off and see how good it was. Turns out it's kinda clunky.
You're right; I'm not considering Lili's ult as much as I should, though my track record for ulting walkers in EDH is pretty low. Usually they're value propositions, like Tezzeret the Seeker, or Elspeth, Sun's Champion.

I can get behind your analysis for Ob's Ult. It's weird for an Ult to be a value sac outlet, but, one can do worse than just drawing lots of cards. Usually. Maybe it can be like playing an Ad Nauseam style deck without the Ad Nauseam.

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Post by TheGildedGoose » 4 months ago

Your card draw suite gives me anxiety.

Let me know how Cunning Rhetoric works out. I want to try it but I don't know if it would actually deter attackers well.

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Post by DirkGently » 4 months ago

Well don't forget draw overlaps with other categories like planeswalkers. And ofc the plan is to ult ob so we have plenty of draw.

I only got it out once and I got attacked for lethal amounts by rats so it didn't really do much. Conceptually I kinda like it though since I think some people (for example, myself) don't like their opponents handling their cards, maybe to the extent that it deters them from attacking even aside from the actual value you get from the card. Idk how many people that's true for, though.

Anyway it's already disassembled, it wasn't that exciting of a deck tbh. 2.5/5 maybe? The deathtouch stuff was kinda fun when it worked.
Perm Decks
Phelddagrif - Kaervek - Golos - Zirilan

Flux Decks
Lukka - Sefris - Ebondeath - Rokiric - Garth - Nixilis - Grist - Mavinda - Kumano - Nezahal - Mavinda - Plargg - Plargg - Extus - Plargg - Oracle - Kardur - Halvar - Tergrid - Egon - Cosima - Halana+Livio - Jeska+Falthis+Obosh - Yeva - Akiri+Zirda - Lady Sun - Nahiri - Korlash - Overlord+Zirda - Chisei - Athreos2 - Akim - Cazur+Ukkima - Otrimi - Otrimi - Kalamax - Ayli+Lurrus - Clamilton - Gonti - Heliod2 - Ayula - Thassa2 - Gallia - Purphoros2 - Rankle - Uro - Rayami - Gargos - Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa - Ashling1 - Angus - Arcum - Talrand - Chainer - Higure - Kumano - Scion - Teferi1 - Uyo - Sisters
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote
Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena
Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6

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