[Off-Topic] Community Chat Thread

[duducrash]

I wonder what hasbro thinks of the aftermath prodcut. Some prices are so weird, even more outside the US where the product was not opened. Cheapest Nissa, Resurgent Animist in the BR market is 50+ U$

[DirkGently]

I don't care what anyone says, WALL-E is mid.

EVE is just trying to do her job, and WALL-E keeps pestering her for a romantic relationship when she has clearly demonstrated no interest. And then the thing that makes her come around to him is that she discovers that, while she was unconscious, he paraded her catatonic body around on weird little dates. Wat the fak.

And they have the gall to pull the "oh no, WALL-E is dead...psych no he isn't" to emotionally manipulate the audience not once, not twice, but THREE times. Dragging it out for longer each time in case the audience starts to become numb to it.

The animation is very nice though.

Anyway, mid. MID, I say!

[Dunadain]

I don't care what anyone says, WALL-E is mid.

EVE is just trying to do her job, and WALL-E keeps pestering her for a romantic relationship when she has clearly demonstrated no interest. And then the thing that makes her come around to him is that she discovers that, while she was unconscious, he paraded her catatonic body around on weird little dates. Wat the fak.

And they have the gall to pull the "oh no, WALL-E is dead...psych no he isn't" to emotionally manipulate the audience not once, not twice, but THREE times. Dragging it out for longer each time in case the audience starts to become numb to it.

The animation is very nice though.

Anyway, mid. MID, I say!

Hold your tongue, boy! I'll not tolerate such slander.

[DirkGently]

It's not slander if it's true.

Also it's not slander if it's written. Then it's libel. J Jonah Jameson taught me that.

[Dunadain]

I don't even disagree about the romance, it's typical cringe you'd expect from a Hallmark movie, but it's that really all you got out of it?

[toctheyounger]

Honestly I don't disagree. I've never enjoyed a Pixar film less than Wall-E. It was predictable, uncompelling tripe to me. I'm no Siskel or Ebert, but I very much disliked it and resented the time spent watching it. And I've adored almost every other Pixar release I've seen. Up had me weeping like a little %$#% 10 minutes in.

All that said I have no reason to feel any sort of emotion for robots. Since the days of R2-D2 I couldn't care less about them, they're not human, they're not capable of having feelings, there's no way they should pull on your heart strings in any way. The 'earth is screwed' aspect of the movie, yeah, I get it, but it's nothing new or novel. I'm with Dirk here.

[Venedrex]

Wall E is a great movie. You can't change my mind. Yeah, its plot is simple, but so is every other kids movie. Let me summarize: Origin story with song. Longing for more with song. Get into minor trouble with song. Meet new people/creatures with song. Get into conflict with song. Discover inner strength with song. Bad guy falls off the cliff, then a song of celebration.

Are there some exceptions? Yeah. But overall, that's how all disney/pixar/kids movies tend to go MOST of the time. You like Up? It has the same exact formula. But like you said, you just can't empathize with robots. Well that's your prerogative, but a LOT of other people can.

Its also hyper realistic too, because it shows how humans roll. We pile up our garbage until it suffocates us instead of actually dealing with it. And I'm not just talking about physical trash. That includes emotions, behaviors, memories, etc etc.

[Dunadain]

I've never enjoyed a Pixar film less than Wall-E.

Is this hyperbole, or are you telling me light-year and the good dinosaur were more enjoyable films?

Regardless, all opinions are valid.

Edit: also, I'm not sure a link to a "everything great about" YouTube video is a very compelling argument for how good a movie is, they make one of those for just about every popular movie that comes out, and it's just a collection of small details in the films.

[toctheyounger]

Is this hyperbole, or are you telling me light-year and the good dinosaur were more enjoyable films?

Haven't seen the former, the latter I've seen a ton. My kid was hugely into it for a while and honestly I enjoyed it. Not the mnost complex film ever but it was decent enough. Wall-E I actively disliked. It wasn't good, to me.

[RxPhantom]

{lots of helpful and thoughtful advice}

I did give it another chance and I might be coming around. It's still too early to tell though. It rubbed me the wrong way at first because the first thing I did -the very first- when I got into the proper open world is wander right into a dragon. I ran away to some cover only to be murdered by a gigantic crab. Then the Tree Guardian murdered me. Just murder all the time. My murder. Murder of myself.

I really appreciate the tips though.

Also, my top five Pixar movies:

1. Wall-E
2. Inside Out
3. Toy Story 3
4. Coco
5. The Incredibles

[Venedrex]

I've never enjoyed a Pixar film less than Wall-E.

Is this hyperbole, or are you telling me light-year and the good dinosaur were more enjoyable films?

Regardless, all opinions are valid.

Edit: also, I'm not sure a link to a "everything great about" YouTube video is a very compelling argument for how good a movie is, they make one of those for just about every popular movie that comes out, and it's just a collection of small details in the films.

True, but sometimes small details matter. Also, that link was mostly because I like small details and I thought some people might not have seen them. Also I wish we were talking in real life instead of on a forum. Furthermore, I'm not too worried about trying to convince an immovable object about a decade+ old children's movie (albeit a good one) on a forum about a children's card game. I just sometimes fall into the bait because I get bored and know that a movie was good in my opinion and I felt like saying my piece.

Noodles, don't noodles. Everyone is free to dislike what they dislike, but I just wanted to show my support.

If I was really going to argue something super seriously, I wouldn't link a Youtube video. But again half the things I post are because I'm being goofy and if this was IRL you could see my mock outrage and realize that I don't really care that much in the grand scheme of things about debating old movies with my fellow stuffy MTG players. (in the nicest possible way.)

Just like I'm sure if we were having this conversation in person I wouldn't be inferring so much condescension from your post, but because I have a skin thinner than a piece of paper and tone is hard to distinguish, here I am wasting time with my dumb and overreactive response.

So, everyone feel free to dislike Wall-E from 2008. You have my permission.


Here, I'll distract from the movie with another thing to debate: What's better, Android or Apple?

Some other good options:

Grapes are the best tasting fruit.

Coca-Cola is better than Pepsi.

Blue is the best (no not magic, this is still the Off-Topic thread lol) color.

The best time of day is the afternoon.


Have fun!

[Hermes_]

I'm sorry but this is clearly the best movie ever:

[TheAmericanSpirit]

I'm sorry but this is clearly the best movie ever:

The best movie ever made is actually In Bruges and I'll entertain no arguments to the contrary.

[DirkGently]

I don't even disagree about the romance, it's typical cringe you'd expect from a Hallmark movie, but it's that really all you got out of it?

If we're admitting that the romance is cringe, then idk what's left besides the animation, and sorry but pretty pictures alone don't really do it for me. None of the characters are remotely compelling except WALL-E himself, and honestly he's more cute and pathetic than compelling. Good for a short film, but for a full-length film....eh. The two main plot threads are the romance we've already admitted is lame, and the human plot which...I mean if you tell me that you find it compelling, I gueesssss I believe you?

Idk, there's nothing emotionally resonant in WALL-E for me. It's like a really long animation demo reel.

Wall E is a great movie. You can't change my mind. Yeah, its plot is simple, but so is every other kids movie. Let me summarize: Origin story with song. Longing for more with song. Get into minor trouble with song. Meet new people/creatures with song. Get into conflict with song. Discover inner strength with song. Bad guy falls off the cliff, then a song of celebration.

I feel like this implies that all conflicts, characters, etc are equivalent. The problem is that those things in WALL-E are fried ass.

Also kinda weird to focus on the "song" part when WALL-E is not a musical, nor are most pixar movies I don't think. That's more of a Disney thing.

You like Up?

Not that much, nah. I found that one overrated too. Haven't seen it in a long time though.

But like you said, you just can't empathize with robots.

I didn't say that. Robots can be done well. The Iron Giant is my homie.

While I think EVE honestly sucks enormously as a character, one of Pixar's worst, WALL-E himself is okay, it's mostly the other characters and plot that suck and give him nothing interesting to do.

Its also hyper realistic too,

lmao wat.

1. Wall-E
2. Inside Out
3. Toy Story 3
4. Coco
5. The Incredibles

See if you just removed the top one I could get behind that list (mine would still be different but I think all of those other movies are legit good, at least from what I recall - except inside out which I just rewatched and can confirm it's good by 2023 Dirk standards).

@Hermes_ Ah, a fellow man of culture. Are you also familiar through MST3K pipeline? Or do people find that movie on their own somehow?

[Dunadain]

Meh, as I said, all opinions are valid

[TheGildedGoose]

In terms of cinematic storytelling, Wall-E is peak Pixar.

In terms of actual storytelling, boy did that movie not age well.

[Hermes_]

@Hermes_ Ah, a fellow man of culture. Are you also familiar through MST3K pipeline? Or do people find that movie on their own somehow?

I couldn't even handle the MTS3K version lol

[Venedrex]

I think someone responded to me, but for some reason I can't see their post. Must be a really weird bug.

Anyhow, what do all think about oh I don't know, rotten tomatoes.

[Dunadain]

Anyhow, what do all think about oh I don't know, rotten tomatoes.

Better than Imdb, but still lots of people trying to explain how their subjective opinion is objectively true (I am aware that this sentence is ironic).

[Venedrex]

Anyhow, what do all think about oh I don't know, rotten tomatoes.

Better than Imdb, but still lots of people trying to explain how their subjective opinion is objectively true (I am aware that this sentence is ironic).

Yeah that makes sense.

[materpillar]

But like you said, you just can't empathize with robots.

I didn't say that. Robots can be done well. The Iron Giant is my homie.

While I think EVE honestly sucks enormously as a character, one of Pixar's worst, WALL-E himself is okay, it's mostly the other characters and plot that suck and give him nothing interesting to do.

I'm down to poke a beehive a bit. I just watched The Iron Giant for the first time and it was fine? I haven't seen WALL·E in a hot minute but right now I'd say that I enjoyed it more of the two.

I definitely bought into the Eve / WallE romance more than you did. A lot of both of the movies is the robots trying to figure out humans. I think I liked watching WallE blunder around being curious more than the Iron Giant.

[duducrash]

In terms of cinematic storytelling, Wall-E is peak Pixar.

I have no idea what cinematic storytelling is and how to evaluate it, but Coco rocks

[DirkGently]

Meh, as I said, all opinions are valid

I still haven't really heard an actual opinion on what's actually good about WALL-E. Just people saying "yes the romance isn't good but it's a kid's movie so your expectations should be low". Screw that man, I cried manly tears for stupid-ass Bing Bong, Pixar can do emotional resonance amazingly if they put in the effort. WALL-E is animation first and storytelling twelfth.

I'm down to poke a beehive a bit. I just watched The Iron Giant for the first time and it was fine? I haven't seen WALL·E in a hot minute but right now I'd say that I enjoyed it more of the two.

I definitely bought into the Eve / WallE romance more than you did. A lot of both of the movies is the robots trying to figure out humans. I think I liked watching WallE blunder around being curious more than the Iron Giant.

I don't necessarily think the Iron Giant is a better character than WALL-E on their own. They're both really similar tbh, dumb idiot robots who don't know anything and want to copy humans. The difference is their respective foils. Hogarth is a great foil because their interactions have a lot of paid off potential - Hogarth's excitement at finding a big awesome robot, TIGs enthusiasm rapt attention to Hogarth's also-stupid-but-slightly-less-stupid understanding of the world, trying to keep TIG secret while TIG is too dumb to understand how conspicuous he is, TIG learning about life and death and developing as a character...it's all great stuff. Whereas EVE is...so, so boring. She's a one-note stereotype cold career woman, who needs a man obnoxiously pestering her in order to open up. Baaarf. Congratulations, robots, you invented Big Bang Theory-tier gender relations.

Which is why, when we get to the end of their respective movies, WALL-E's sacrifice is meaningless because he hasn't grown as a character at all. He's probably not even aware that he's sacrificing himself. He's still just a dumb idiot following the exact same motivations he was at the start of the movie. Whereas TIG's character development has been leading towards his sacrifice and allowing him to understand what it means for the entire movie, with the pitch-perfect callback to Hogath's early words to him, now reversed because TIG must now assume the protective role. It's so much more satisfying as a story.

[TheGildedGoose]

In terms of cinematic storytelling, Wall-E is peak Pixar.

I have no idea what cinematic storytelling is and how to evaluate it, but Coco rocks

The story is told primarily through cinematic means rather than non-cinematic means. That is, information is revealed via framing, lighting, editing, or any other cinematic techniques or combinations thereof rather than something like expository dialogue or otherwise literal and direct means. Wall-E's first act is a silent movie and a lot of the cast is virtually non-verbal so the Pixar team really had to step up and walk a fine. Too bad about the creepy romance making the movie age like milk.

Coco is A+. One of my favorites, and the movie that incidentally turned me into a tequila goose.

[Dunadain]

I still haven't really heard an actual opinion on what's actually good about WALL-E. Just people saying "yes the romance isn't good but it's a kid's movie so your expectations should be low".

Wall E is a great movie. You can't change my mind... Its also hyper realistic too, because it shows how humans roll. We pile up our garbage until it suffocates us instead of actually dealing with it. And I'm not just talking about physical trash. That includes emotions, behaviors, memories, etc etc.

I mean... that certainly sounds like an opinion on what's good about wall-E to me...

But fine:

I love Wall-E, because Wall-E is the opposite of "pathetic" as you described him earlier. He's literally a garbage man for an abandoned world, his entire "species" has died out, and he lives in an isolated wasteland. He's so lonely he literally makes friends with a cockroach.

But he handles it like a champ, he never stops dreaming of meaningful connections and, because of that, he eventually finds it. Not only that, he also pulls others out of their monotonous acceptance of their life.

He shows the other robots he meets (not just Eve) how to live for more than just your programming, and he encourages humanity to stop accepting mediocrity. Wall-E's interactions with John and Mary might be my favorite parts of the film.