Unreleased and New Card Discussion

[duducrash]

I mean. I dont really care for this product tbh. It's obviously not for me, but it isnt a necessary game piece or anything, if wotc is to rip the skin of random folks, it better be some random collectible instead of new game pieces. I wish this was (much) cheaper but im not mad. Luxury versions are the best way imho, so the peasants dont lose that much

[RedCheese]

Wizards selling 4 packs of randomized non tournament legal proxies for 1000 Dollars. So that just happened.

[Dunadain]

I mean. I dont really care for this product tbh. It's obviously not for me, but it isnt a necessary game piece or anything, if wotc is to rip the skin of random folks, it better be some random collectible instead of new game pieces. I wish this was (much) cheaper but im not mad. Luxury versions are the best way imho, so the peasants dont lose that much

Right, better this than a new Ragavan that costs $50 a pop.

[Venedrex]

You know that video of the guy on a Spanish talk show with the hysterical laugh that always gets dubbed by someone when one of the big game companies decide to abandon reason and logic for their new expansion/product/feature? I think this would be a good event for that meme to highlight. *High pitched laughter* "And the best part is... we charged them 1000 dollars... for four packs!!! *audience applause/uncontrollable laughter*. "They can't be played in tournaments."

Like @Dunadain said, I'm not that concerned about it from a gameplay standpoint since it's all for the ultra rich and doesn't affect me at all, but boy is it fun to make fun of. This is the biggest harpoon I've ever seen Wotc grab.

[Hawk]

"Huh, isn't today announcement day? Wonder what the Reddit looks like right now...<opens Reddit>"

Reddit:

...<closes Reddit>

Yeah, so the 30th Anniversary thing is...a thing. No comment. So...uh...Phyrexian Dragon Engine looking omega spicy for my Daretti and Quintorious decks! :

EDIT: Wait, how does the color identity work on that Engine? Probably excludes it from my decks. Now my day is actually ruined and Magic is actually dying.

[Venedrex]

"Huh, isn't today announcement day? Wonder what the Reddit looks like right now...<opens Reddit>"

Reddit:

...<closes Reddit>

Yeah, so the 30th Anniversary thing is...a thing. No comment. So...uh...Phyrexian Dragon Engine looking omega spicy for my Daretti and Quintorious decks! :

EDIT: Wait, how does the color identity work on that Engine? Probably excludes it from my decks. Now my day is actually ruined and Magic is actually dying.

EZ fix, just combine your Daretti and Quintorious decks into a Dihada, Binder of Wills deck with a graveyard sub-theme. JK

[Dunharrow]

WOTC circumventing the reserved list by making official proxies for a ridiculous price.... I don't think they could possibly make this worse.

It is so dumb I am hoping at the last second they say "We abolished the reserved list, and these are tournament legal as long as you use sleeves". As misguided as that would be it would at least have some logic to it.

I hope they sell 0 of these.

[wildfire393]

WOTC circumventing the reserved list by making official proxies for a ridiculous price.... I don't think they could possibly make this worse.

It is so dumb I am hoping at the last second they say "We abolished the reserved list, and these are tournament legal as long as you use sleeves". As misguided as that would be it would at least have some logic to it.

I hope they sell 0 of these.

Realistically, these are going to sell out, and almost immediately.

Even if there aren't a bunch of people out there who are "whales" and will buy this because they can, there's going to be a likely-huge amount of people who will buy it to sit on sealed and resell down the road for 2-5x profit in a few years.

[DirkGently]

These are stupid, but I don't see how their existence harms anyone. Just don't buy them. Simple as.

[Hermes_]

*Hasbro/WotC employee* : "Hey guys there's a whole Reddit dedicated to making money with MTG, how can we target that demographic's wallet?

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As another way to piss off @DirkGently https://www.polygon.com/23386980/mtg-fi ... -lair-2024

Magic: The Gathering will welcome characters from Final Fantasy and Assassin's Creed in 2024 through Wizards of the Coast's Universes Beyond intiative. Wizards' president Cynthia Williams made the announcement live during Hasbro's Investor Day 2022 presentation.

[tstorm823]

Magic: The Gathering will welcome characters from Final Fantasy and Assassin's Creed in 2024 through Wizards of the Coast's Universes Beyond intiative. Wizards' president Cynthia Williams made the announcement live during Hasbro's Investor Day 2022 presentation.

Assassin's Creed has more than one character?

[Hermes_]

Magic: The Gathering will welcome characters from Final Fantasy and Assassin's Creed in 2024 through Wizards of the Coast's Universes Beyond intiative. Wizards' president Cynthia Williams made the announcement live during Hasbro's Investor Day 2022 presentation.

Assassin's Creed has more than one character?

yes lol


Also this aged well

[Hawk]

Magic: The Gathering will welcome characters from Final Fantasy and Assassin's Creed in 2024 through Wizards of the Coast's Universes Beyond intiative. Wizards' president Cynthia Williams made the announcement live during Hasbro's Investor Day 2022 presentation.

Assassin's Creed has more than one character?

At this point (and I only played the first few) there's a whole Kingdom Hearts-style mess of mythology yeah. I imagine Assassin's Creed is going to be a better fit for a Transformers-style release (10-15 cards implanted in a set) or a Secret Lair Drop instead of a Commander Deck release or a full draftable set, but even my casual brain can name a SL-amount of characters (Desmond, Ezio, Altair, the rest of Ezio's family and accomplices...be funny if we get Leonardo Da Vinci as a MtG card?)

I was musing what my line would be as so far none of the UB stuff appeals to my interests at all (I might slam Tyranid Prime in Volo but only because it's an uncontested type and a fun effect), and am grateful Disney is doing their dumb Lorcana game to minimize the risk of Disney, Marvel, or Star Wars getting the UB Treatment. Makes it much easier to just ignore their existence. I like LotR and Dr. Who so we'll see if a card grabs me I guess? I like Stranger Things too but was pretty cold on the cards.

[DirkGently]

@Hermes_ i don't know anything about either game series but I'm pretty sure they fit in better than transformers.

Anyway it's hard to keep getting mad about UB. All I can do is roll my eyes and not buy it. I just hope there's nothing too powerful or interesting.

[Hermes_]

Magic: The Gathering will welcome characters from Final Fantasy and Assassin's Creed in 2024 through Wizards of the Coast's Universes Beyond intiative. Wizards' president Cynthia Williams made the announcement live during Hasbro's Investor Day 2022 presentation.

Assassin's Creed has more than one character?

At this point (and I only played the first few) there's a whole Kingdom Hearts-style mess of mythology yeah.

Each game adds either one or two new assassins and then a number of templars (12 mainline games so far). The only thing I'm REALLY curious about is how they plan to make the hidden blade different from other equipment.


EDIT: I can see two commander decks a templar and an assassins one.

[DirkGently]

The only thing I'm REALLY curious about is how they plan to make the hidden blade different from other equipment.

Hidden Blade {1}
Artifact - Equipment
Equipped creature has +1/+1.
Equip {1}

I haven't played the games.

[Hermes_]

The only thing I'm REALLY curious about is how they plan to make the hidden blade different from other equipment.

Hidden Blade {1}
Artifact - Equipment
Equipped creature has +1/+1.
Equip {1}

I haven't played the games.

It needs deathtouch, In-game the hidden blade is one hit kill for anything other than boss fights

[DirkGently]

The only thing I'm REALLY curious about is how they plan to make the hidden blade different from other equipment.

Hidden Blade {1}
Artifact - Equipment
Equipped creature has +1/+1.
Equip {1}

I haven't played the games.

It needs deathtouch, In-game the hidden blade is one hit kill for anything other than boss fights

Okay, new model. This one is super unique and flavorful to appease the true fans (c).

The Hidden Blade {1}
Artifact - Equipment
Equipped creature has deathtouch.
Equip {2}

And I think the art should feature a gorgon's head. It's a deep cut reference, you probably wouldn't get it.

[PrimevalCommander]

The only thing I'm REALLY curious about is how they plan to make the hidden blade different from other equipment.

Hidden Blade {1}
Artifact - Equipment
Equipped creature has +1/+1.
Equip {1}

I haven't played the games.

It needs deathtouch, In-game the hidden blade is one hit kill for anything other than boss fights

Quietus Spike with a reskin?

[Lifeless]

I shouldn't be surprised at all that WotC figured out a way to pervert my desire for official proxies in such a disgusting way.

[duducrash]

To be fair we could dig up dozens of posts of Storm/Rabiah Scale that were latter revisited. We are lucky Maro has this open channel with us, and there should be no surprise (nor shame) in changing minds half a decade latter.



Mishra, Claimed by Gix - Potential great low curve commander!! bonus points for winning the best way possible. Tapped and attacking!

[TheAmericanSpirit]

Mishra, Claimed by Gix - Potential great low curve commander!! bonus points for winning the best way possible. Tapped and attacking!

Amen.

[Jemolk]

Also this aged well

I'm actually glad they backtracked on that one. Just pissed off at the price. A grand for four packs would make it a lottery for average players just buying a few packs even if these were real cards. At 1/4th the price and all old-border, I might actually be interested in buying some of these official proxies, but not like this. Hell no. At this kinda price, I'll continue to get my proxies elsewhere.

[Hawk]

4 packs for $999 is going to be around 5 rares (since you get 1 rare/pack, plus every third pack should come with an additional rare).

There are going to be 114 rares in the set (116 rares in Alpha; Crusade, Darkpact, and Demonic Attorney are out and Volcanic Island is in).

That puts your odds at any given rare showing up at 4%, 8% for an ABU dual which will be "twice as common as any other rares".

I'm super not an MTGStocks sorta guy, and have zero interest in buying this product - but sake of argument let's say these cards are worth about half of what a Collector's Edition printing is worth (since Collector's Edition is also not tournament legal). That means the list of cards that are "worth a pack" ($250) would be...

value?

DecklistCMCManaPricesChartsDraw 7

1 Black Lotus

1 Ancestral Recall

1 Timetwister

1 Time Walk

1 Mox Pearl

1 Mox Sapphire

1 Mox Jet

1 Mox Ruby

1 Mox Emerald

1 Chaos Orb

1 Underground Sea

1 Volcanic Island

Approximate Total Cost:

Throw in Demonic Tutor and Berserk maybe, as uncommons of value with that old art? But then, they've both gotten actual real printings in the last decade so...yeah.

Black Lotus is the big hit, and likely "pays for a box", but with those odds there's a pretty real chance you get like Mahamoti Djinn, Aspect of Wolf, Blessing, and Thoughtlace, and any card you pull that isn't a Commander/Legacy/Vintage staple is likely functionally worthless (folks aren't paying $4000 for an Alpha Shivan Dragon for the art; they're doing it for the history and collectability. Even if the 30th Anniversary Shivan ends up being "worth" $50-$60 to folks to get the old art in a black border at about half of the Collector's Edition price, it's a pretty niche market)

To try to look at the glass half full, I do wonder if an influx of black-bordered Proxies, even non-tournament-legal ones, will make the Collector's Edition of stuff more affordable?

[Hermes_]

To try to look at the glass half full, I do wonder if an influx of black-bordered Proxies, even non-tournament-legal ones, will make the Collector's Edition of stuff more affordable?

Cardkingdom has reportedly turned off the buylist for CE power and duels, so I'm guessing they expect panic sellers