In kitchen table magic, its' either an absolutely gamebreaking thing that everyone I've ever spoken to is utterly silent about or not a problem at all. So, they could be legal in EDH, or they could have an 'outside the game zone'. I prefer the latter.
I only have an opinion about EDH because it's basically the only format I play.
onering wrote: ↑2 years ago
That's one of the reasons I like the idea of a small wish board.
I'm going to be real with you, my group allows 3-card wishboards and nobody uses them. Wishes are bad (like actually awful, even the 'good' ones like Burning Wish) in some mechanical sense (at 3 cards); it's much easier to maindeck things and play the billions of tutors that have been printed than to hum and haw over a sideboard. Obviously even moderate people would object if it was like, a 100 card wishboard. So, there's some number between 3 and 100 that would be acceptable with caveats (like maintaining singleton integrity across the main deck and wishboard).
But again, being real, my group is literally the only one I've ever heard of that's experimented with wishes, so the broader audience either doesn't know or doesn't care, and between that and the RC's only-ever-hostile-takes on it when they aren't silent on the matter, it makes this thread kind of moot.
It's kind of why I don't really put any effort into it anymore, or go out of my way to rebut anything here. We could have a real conversation, and debate about whether it's bad or not, or whether people will wishboard Flashfires, or if WotC will make more outside-the-game mechanics like Lessons, or if it really impugns the hundred card limit (which was a very popular argument on the original forums until they blew up and then Companion was released), or what real rules would look like, or if it's a threat to casual gaming everywhere like some RC members insist, where people are going to carry around wishboards but no wishes 'just in case'. But, I've already had those conversations, well under the eyes of the RC (presuming they have eyes at all, here or elsewhere), and they're (presumably) unconvinced because they're silent about it except when they post "no way Jose" or make 'rules updates' contorting the rules around permitting companion (just this once!) or Dungeons (they're not really cards!).
Honestly, I'm tired, and this fight isn't winnable, and never will be. Replying to anything in this thread in earnest feels like signing up to be a punching bag; people demand an overwhelming (and frankly, insurmountable) burden of proof. I'm not even interested in debating what amounts as 'proof' anymore.
Realistically, it feels like there are around 5 people in the world who want Wishes 'unbanned', so, why even bother. Can we lock this thread already?