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- RadiantSophia
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Love this card. Love the cost. Love the effect. Love that it flys. Love that lifelink. But seriously, that art is bad. No. Worse that that. Think "sawdust-flavored" or "sewage-scented". The kind of thing you don't want to think about.
But seriously, I think I'd consider this a staple in any white-containing deck that is hurt less by it than your opponents.
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But seriously, I think I'd consider this a staple in any white-containing deck that is hurt less by it than your opponents.
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I love art. It looks like some weird 90s music album cover.
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Saturday, March 20th, 2021; Living Plane|leg
A known salty combo card, or actual genuine "fair use"...?
A known salty combo card, or actual genuine "fair use"...?
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If you play this and then play something like Doomwake Giant just please be in a position to win the game. Attacking with 5 1/1s and a 4/6 is not going to end a 4 player game quickly.
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Seems 'k with Craterhoof Behemoth.
But yeah it's probably a lot more effective to use as a way to lock people out of lands with Night of Souls' Betrayal or whatever.
The thing about this card is that, even if you aren't trying to do anything evil with it, it's such an abusable effect that SOMEONE is probably going to be able to ruin the game with it. So there's just no way to play it fairly imo. It's always going to be a bad time.
But yeah it's probably a lot more effective to use as a way to lock people out of lands with Night of Souls' Betrayal or whatever.
The thing about this card is that, even if you aren't trying to do anything evil with it, it's such an abusable effect that SOMEONE is probably going to be able to ruin the game with it. So there's just no way to play it fairly imo. It's always going to be a bad time.
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- MeowZeDung
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Part of me has wanted to make a 4 color lands deck with stuff like this and Sylvan Awakening combing off with Jeskai Ascendancy, but I don't think that would feel very fun after the first few times.
Apart from the obvious griefer move of board wiping with this out, I think it would be fair enough to combo it with stuff like Sleep, Niblis of Frost, or whatever.
Apart from the obvious griefer move of board wiping with this out, I think it would be fair enough to combo it with stuff like Sleep, Niblis of Frost, or whatever.
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Yeah, on that last point, even if you're trying to play extremely fair with it (arguably, *especially* if) someone's going to eventually end up in the spot of needing to cast their Wrath of God, which suddenly has an Armageddon strapped to it. If you're especially lucky, it'll be someone who has a plan to win the game quickly after that. If you're not, we get to reenter the grindfest of a game having blown up all the lands in play. If you're especially unlucky, whoever wraths won't hit enchantments, and you'll have to rebuild with the lurking threat of the next board wipe resetting everyone's progress again. And basically the only way to ensure that isn't the case is to try and make it asymmetrical first, which loops back to the "trying to do something evil with it".DirkGently wrote: ↑3 years agoSeems 'k with Craterhoof Behemoth.
But yeah it's probably a lot more effective to use as a way to lock people out of lands with Night of Souls' Betrayal or whatever.
The thing about this card is that, even if you aren't trying to do anything evil with it, it's such an abusable effect that SOMEONE is probably going to be able to ruin the game with it. So there's just no way to play it fairly imo. It's always going to be a bad time.
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See also, why you never play Ambush Commander.
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Similar to other high risk cards like Lich, Living Plane is creates too much vulnerability to be worth it outside of some dedicated combo.3drinks wrote: ↑3 years agoSaturday, March 20th, 2021; Living Plane|leg
A known salty combo card, or actual genuine "fair use"...?
It's too bad, but it is what it is.
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The problem with Living Plane, as others have said, is that their is no fair use for the card. Almost every deck has some sort of wrath effect or some other way to turn Living Plane into an absolute miserable card without meaning too. It's one thing to build an ******* deck. It's a completely different thing to force others to be *******s.
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you can trade Living Plane for four Kormus Bells, four Living Lands and like two entire booster boxes of a recent set, probably its strongest feature =P
Nature's Revolt and Kamahl, Fist of Krosa are budget options for Living Plane. I use them to with Linvala, Keeper of Silence and Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite in my Captain Sisay deck.
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As others have noted, Living Plane is a card that is fairly difficult to play fair. Most of the time, it's going to be used alongside board wipes as a janky Armageddon... and the other times, you're probably running Jeskai Ascendancy or another mass creature untap effect to storm off. Probably the fairest use case I've seen for mass land animation is with Ink-Treader Nephilim to create more targets, but that's hardly a fair use case either. I suppose it can be used alongside Overrun effects for a big attack, but there are other ways to create a bunch of bodies (such as Sylvan Awakening).
Anyway, I put cards like Living Plane, Mycosynth Lattice, and Enchanted Evening in a 'danger!' bucket. It's possible to play them fairly, but they almost always just cause a headache - turning lands into other card types inevitably causes problems. I'll also note that Living Plane causes lands to be affected by summoning sickness, which is somewhat annoying.
Anyway, I put cards like Living Plane, Mycosynth Lattice, and Enchanted Evening in a 'danger!' bucket. It's possible to play them fairly, but they almost always just cause a headache - turning lands into other card types inevitably causes problems. I'll also note that Living Plane causes lands to be affected by summoning sickness, which is somewhat annoying.
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Why I prefer Kamahl, Fist of Krosa. More fair. This enchantment just wants Gaea's Anthem and Night of Souls' Betrayal.
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How it is not? I'm assuming opponents don't have any mana to play their spells and even if they have one mana plays they still gotta wait a turn cycle because their lands have summoning sickness. Allowing living plane player to kill them with another enchantment. Each land played is another attacker which speeds up the clock. If one player concedes that also speeds up the clock. Even if you manage to remove living plane or giant you are still have a massive resource disadvantage to deal with.Dunharrow wrote: ↑3 years agoIf you play this and then play something like Doomwake Giant just please be in a position to win the game. Attacking with 5 1/1s and a 4/6 is not going to end a 4 player game quickly.
Play a lot of decks where my main win condition is a stax soft lock + random creature beats. If anything I enjoy when my opponents choose to torture themselves instead of just conceding.
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Well, that's the exact complaint. At 9 damage a turn (assuming you don't cast stuff), it's a solid 12+ turns to kill the table. There's a pretty significant chance that someone can assemble the pieces to break the lock in that timeframe, so the optimal play is not to concede, but playing through it is miserable. There's also social pressure not to, since each person conceding makes it more difficult for the next to win. Since (hopefully) the point of the game is to have fun together, it doesn't seem an absurd request to me.illakunsaa wrote: ↑3 years agoHow it is not? I'm assuming opponents don't have any mana to play their spells and even if they have one mana plays they still gotta wait a turn cycle because their lands have summoning sickness. Allowing living plane player to kill them with another enchantment. Each land played is another attacker which speeds up the clock. If one player concedes that also speeds up the clock. Even if you manage to remove living plane or giant you are still have a massive resource disadvantage to deal with.Dunharrow wrote: ↑3 years agoIf you play this and then play something like Doomwake Giant just please be in a position to win the game. Attacking with 5 1/1s and a 4/6 is not going to end a 4 player game quickly.
Play a lot of decks where my main win condition is a stax soft lock + random creature beats. If anything I enjoy when my opponents choose to torture themselves instead of just conceding.
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Sunday, March 21st, 2021; Teferi's Ageless Insight
Really good at winning, or really good at win morning?
Really good at winning, or really good at win morning?
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This and Alhammarret's Archive have never stuck around very long after I cast them (in my cycling deck).
Maybe it's because I cackle and get way too excited when I play them.
Maybe it's because I cackle and get way too excited when I play them.
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Have you tried also tried Thought Reflection? They can't blow them all up? Lol.Serenade wrote: ↑3 years agoThis and Alhammarret's Archive have never stuck around very long after I cast them (in my cycling deck).
Maybe it's because I cackle and get way too excited when I play them.
Seeing a 7cmc turn into a 4cmc card is bonkers.
Now you can see how a Toothy deck built with a $20 budget can turn 6 win.
Much like Alhammarret's Archive, they are utterly dominant if left untouched and therefore something I like to avoid; I tend to like to create dilemmas for people about removing stuff and cards like this are remove-on-sight on a level of Darksteel Forge and Swarm Intelligence and so on.
That said, these two are bananas in some shells, Varina, Lich Queen being the one that springs to mind, and I see why people run them.
The sheer number of these kinds of permanent bombs is an interesting thing about the changing texture of EDH games; the value you get from mana these days. It makes removal a lot more important because people can play a single card and then largely ride it to victory -- whereas back in the old days you had to kinda overcommit to get this far ahead on one card, or spend 7, 8, or 9 mana.
It's kinda like there are now 30 or 40 alternatives to Consecrated Sphinx level of dominance - back in the day if you killed someone's sphinx it was gone, now they can have 10 copies of it in their deck because new value engines just outclass the old stuff so badly.
I'm not sure what to make of it tbh. A lot of the cards are super neat (Sire of Stagnation mmmm) and I kinda like how mana efficient things can be now where you don't need to make 30 mana to win games. I guess it's good and bad.
That said, these two are bananas in some shells, Varina, Lich Queen being the one that springs to mind, and I see why people run them.
The sheer number of these kinds of permanent bombs is an interesting thing about the changing texture of EDH games; the value you get from mana these days. It makes removal a lot more important because people can play a single card and then largely ride it to victory -- whereas back in the old days you had to kinda overcommit to get this far ahead on one card, or spend 7, 8, or 9 mana.
It's kinda like there are now 30 or 40 alternatives to Consecrated Sphinx level of dominance - back in the day if you killed someone's sphinx it was gone, now they can have 10 copies of it in their deck because new value engines just outclass the old stuff so badly.
I'm not sure what to make of it tbh. A lot of the cards are super neat (Sire of Stagnation mmmm) and I kinda like how mana efficient things can be now where you don't need to make 30 mana to win games. I guess it's good and bad.
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It's a pretty great card, from experience. Comes down early enough that if someone wants to get rid of it there's a fair chance they spend a turn doing so, and I personally rate it higher than Alhammarret's Archive for costing less and snipping off the life gain, which is niche in all but a few places.
Is it win more? I guess so, in a lot of places. Where I run it, in Varina, Lich Queen not so much. It turns card filtering into card draw and makes the deck hum exceptionally well. Can recommend, and also really well costed to purchase.
Is it win more? I guess so, in a lot of places. Where I run it, in Varina, Lich Queen not so much. It turns card filtering into card draw and makes the deck hum exceptionally well. Can recommend, and also really well costed to purchase.
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This and Alhammarret's Archive can be pretty funny with Sylvan Library. Or Brainstorm. Or any looter. Or a wheel.
Make Teferi's Puzzle Box have a point.
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Make Teferi's Puzzle Box have a point.
People will hate you though.
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You monster!hyalopterouslemur wrote: ↑3 years agoMake Teferi's Puzzle Box have a point.
People will hate you though.