Ways to reduce Encore/Embalm/Eternalize (besides Convergence of Dominion)
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I like Encore as a mechanic, and want to use it in my Soundwave, Sonic Spy // Soundwave, Superior Captain deck, but it's kind of a nerfed mechanic because of the steep activation cost.
Been searching around on scryfall, and I know about Convergence of Dominion, but that's the only way I can see of reducing activated ability costs in the graveyard. Looking for any out of the box ways to reduce costs and make the mechanic more useable.
Been searching around on scryfall, and I know about Convergence of Dominion, but that's the only way I can see of reducing activated ability costs in the graveyard. Looking for any out of the box ways to reduce costs and make the mechanic more useable.
Zirda, the Dawnwaker and Embalmer's Tools look to be the two other options. There aren't that many cards with activated abilities in graveyards, so reducing those costs is a somewhat niche effect. Beyond those, I would consider Lithoform Engine and Rings of Brighthearth (also Dynaheir, Invoker Adept in Jeskai) - they don't reduce the cost, but they do let you get extra value from those abilities.
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Training Ground will not work, it affects only creatures you control on the battlefield, not creature cards in the graveyard.Dragonlover wrote: ↑1 year agoTraining Grounds is the classic, but might be pricy at the moment?
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Other than Training Grounds which will not work, Heartstone doesn't have the "you control" wording, but is an obvious gamble.
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@Toshi heartstone doesn't work either. Creatures are only creatures on the battlefield. In all other zones, they're creature CARDS. Peep the wording on Embalmer's Tools.
They are still activated abilities though so Zirda works - not that it matters in esper. Tools is just about it I think.
They are still activated abilities though so Zirda works - not that it matters in esper. Tools is just about it I think.
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Damn. You're right!DirkGently wrote: ↑1 year ago@Toshi heartstone doesn't work either. Creatures are only creatures on the battlefield. In all other zones, they're creature CARDS.
An alternative would be playing all the things that add and store mana, creature Treasures and Powerstones, i guess.
When built around it - e.g. with all 9 artifact lands available - Blinkmoth Urn can be brutal.
Black Market is a classic. ...
Thanks for the ideas. Somehow I'd missed Embalmer's Tools so that's an easy include. I think @Toshi your idea might be the best, just include ways to gather and produce mana. I don't foresee activating any of the gy abilities early game so there'd be time to get counters on something like Black market. I've always shied away from the unpredictability of Blinkmoth Urn giving my opponents more benefit than me, but you're right, with the artifact lands its reliability improves.
I'm already including token doublers to make max use of the ability. Could throw in Sundial of the Infinite to keep the fruits of my mana.
I'm already including token doublers to make max use of the ability. Could throw in Sundial of the Infinite to keep the fruits of my mana.
The best approach to this is probably to ramp hard, unfortunately.
Okay, different approach. What ways are there to generate mana using the gy as a resource. Let's assume I'm milling a bunch to get my encore/eternalize type cards in the gy, so it'll be pretty full of fodder.
(edit) Found Songs of the Damned as a decent option so far.
(edit) Found Songs of the Damned as a decent option so far.
In Esper, my go to is the Brought Back Cosmic Intervention fetchland package but that can be pretty cost prohibitive. Less so these days tho
I do like Crypt of Agadeem in my Varina deck.
Blink spells and Palinchron type duders also can do some work in esper, but not sure how that works with your theme.
I do like Crypt of Agadeem in my Varina deck.
Blink spells and Palinchron type duders also can do some work in esper, but not sure how that works with your theme.