I think we missed each other here, you've reaffirmed that you don't think pizza is food, and I think you hinted you define food by its nutritional value, but I don't want to take that for granted, so again, you're going to have to give me an actual definition of what "food" means and then convince me your definition is a good definition.TheAmericanSpirit wrote: ↑1 year agoI disagree wholeheartedly. Fast food technically fulfills the role of edible but is often so nutrionally bankrupt that they contribute to food deserts. Imho, you are what you eat.Dunadain wrote: ↑1 year agoYeah, you're gonna have to define your terms for me, pizza hut (or any fast food) provides calories and some (dubious) nutritional value. That makes it food in my eyes, lol.TheAmericanSpirit wrote: ↑1 year agoWith all due respect to the humble origins of pizza, the big "pizza" chains are fast food and imho fast food isn't really even food. Pizza, even in its lowest form, is food, therefore Pizza Hut et al is not pizza.
Heck, you'll probably need to define when a restaurant is a chain in your eyes. There was a local pizzeria in my hometown that did quite well for itself, so they opened two new locations, and while I no longer live in that area, last I heard all three locations were doing very well. Are they a chain now? what if they've grown since I've last seen them to 4 locations? 5? 6? 10?
So is your definition of "fake food chains" chains that are multinational? I'm going to assume the pink slime was tongue and cheek.TheAmericanSpirit wrote: ↑1 year agoAs for chains, I think semi-local chains are fine. I think multinational corporations peddling pink slime and causing all sorts of pollution shipping their crappy psuedo-foods in pre-prepped plastic packaging on massive refrigerator trucks all over the place is not good for anyone.
If it's not about health trends then what IS it about? You keep affirming it's not food and when asked why you point to health concerns. When I suggest that the food ISN'T as unhealthy as your "pink slime" comments make it seem, then you claim it's NOT about health.TheAmericanSpirit wrote: ↑1 year agoIt's not about health fads. I'm not exactly seeking peak nutritional value when I want pizza of all things. But frozen food is usually loaded with salt, processed food has a ton of microplastics in it, and fast food is chock to the brim with both of those things. It simply has fallen too far to be considered food.Dunadain wrote: ↑1 year agoThe modern health trends of obsessing over the number of ingredients or whether or not the food is frozen has no real science behind it. I could give you a glass of high fructose corn syrup and it would have much less nutritional value then your average "real" pizza, but it only has one ingredient.TheAmericanSpirit wrote: ↑1 year agoReal pizza comes from pizzerias lining streets all over the world, prepared by people with a passion for the product and made from way fewer ingredients that got extruded by some massive machine and then flash frozen for your "convenience".
Freezing also has no affect on the nutritional value of the food (in most cases, obviously, poorly kept food could spoil and become a health hazard). Now, food that is frozen IS the kind of food that's not meant to be eaten immediately, food which isn't meant to be eaten immediately, in turn, often has higher levels of sodium to help it last longer. So there is a correlation between frozen food and high sodium levels. but correlation =/= causation.
Heck the entire "fast food = bad" mindset, particularly in America is overblown and lacks nuance. I blame the Supersize Me documentary, (a guy ate McDonalds everyday for a long time, became fat and made a documentary about it, it's a good watch, but it's important to realize it's not a scientific study, and the extreme transformation shown in the documentary is just that, extreme).
The pizza argument is all in good fun, but seriously, if you're interested in improving your health, these trendy "only 5 ingredients" or "fresh, never frozen" foods aren't really all the healthy. I realize it might be expensive, but talking to an actual expert, like a dietician or nutritionist, will do a lot more for your health then following health fads. And if you can't talk to one of these people in person, at least look up what these professionals have to say, rather than health influencers.
Though on a more serious note, why are you bothering bringing up whether the food is frozen or the number of ingredients in a chain pizza, when you're average pizza chain probably DOES have less nutritional value than a local pizzeria without trying to appeal to misleading health fads?
If a local pizzeria can source even a fraction of their ingredients themselves instead bulk buying prefab garbage and serve it within the natural lifetime of the product instead of pumping it full of preservatives, the effect is enormous. I have eaten a truly astronomical amount of pizza in my life so far, and by god do I intend to eat more, so I feel fairly confident when I say that the quality and value of a pizza is directly proportional to the artistry and care that went into its preparation. Take my favorite pizzeria ever, for example: The Devil's Pizzeria on 9th St in Durham, North Carolina. The man behind the counter, Zeod, is a Lebanese pizza god in the flesh. He doesn't serve his customers anything less than the finest and each pizza I've purchased from him had the same love and attention as a Michelangelo commission. You can taste it, man. Satisfaction made real. Why would you settle for so much less?
We're circling around to the fact that you need to define your terms.
Also, sounds like a great pizza, but it feels anecdotal at best and irrelevant at worst. "I know a good pizerria, therefore Pizza Hut makes fake pizza."
First of all, "small" premium is a stretch, it can cost as much as double. Second of all, people have different financial situations. You say it's worth it for you, great. Finances are tough for me at the moment, but fine, it's not unreasonable for me to buy a more expensive food.TheAmericanSpirit wrote: ↑1 year ago
1. Not necessarily, and even so, it's 100% worth a small premium to eat something 1000% more substantial and satisfying.
However, and I hate to try and grab the moral high ground here, but this is important to recognize, some people don't have the same options as you or I. I used to do a lot of volunteer work for the homeless and many of them ate a lot of fast food, not because it was the best option for them, but because it was their only option. The difference between a $10 pizza and a $20 pizza is huge for them, healthy options are even more expensive, and while buying in bulk and cooking your own meals is healthier and cheaper then any of these options, that's NOT an option if you don't have a home to store food, a kitchen to cook it, electrical services, etc.
Damn, I feel called out. Fair enough I guess.TheAmericanSpirit wrote: ↑1 year ago2. Eh, I never get delivery. I always call it in and swing by on the way home from work. And besides, delivery is hardly environmentally responsible anyway, so perhaps it shouldn't be an option anyway.
I use proxies for stuff over 1k generally, just not worth stressing about destroying my Timetwister in a shuffling accident.
