That's enough. Obviously neither of you is going to concede regardless of whether or not the card is broken. Please refrain from discussing it any further in this thread.
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I think Nlia would work a lot better in a purely digital card game than MtG - as it is you have to constantly keep track of the number of cards in multiple libraries. Determination of Nlia is better because at least only your library matters and you only have to know the number of cards once. It would still be slightly awkward in practice because you have to know if your library has 30 or fewer cards in it, but you don't want to telegraph that you have this in your hand obviously. Shelldock Isle is a less awkward version of this because the card is already in play, so you don't have the problem of not wanting to check the number of cards you have.
The other thing I think is that the library restriction is enough of an investment that the payoff should be really splashy. If I have to meet that restriction in addition to paying 8 mana in 4 different colors, I want to get something really special, not just a big creature.
Also this is super minor, but if you make Determination an instant, you can attack with Nlia when your library is tiny, then cast Determination mid-combat as a pump spell which IMO would make it more exciting.
I'll add since the discussion here has got a little contentious - while I'm definitely the type of poster who nitpicks little problems with cards, I think it's a really good thing that people try out different ideas that might be controversial. We don't actually get to play with these cards judging them involves a lot of gut feeling on what the potential problems with cards are, and how seriously they would impact things if we actually did get to play with them. If you have a pretty unique idea but people don't vote for it possibly due to thinking a certain aspect wouldn't work, I wouldn't take it too personally.
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So the issue with Nlia is that she incurs too much bookkeeping and doesn't deliver enough impact? Well that's good to know, because my thoughts were to tweak the numbers a bit. If the idea itself is unattractive, then tweaking numbers won't do anything. That's too bad, though, because the idea of a creature whose power and toughness are based on the number of cards in a library was what made me like her.
I made it be the library with the fewest cards in it because I wanted the card to potentially work in a mill deck meant to target your opponents, as well as a mill deck meant to target yourself. Would making it only consider a single player's library potentially fix the issue? What are some things that could change to make the card more appealing? Or does it always boil down to the basic concept involving unpleasant levels of bookkeeping?
Also, yeah, I honestly think more discussion on design philosophies is always a good thing. If you're designing things with only yourself as the judge, and then putting them out there, they won't be good designs, necessarily. Sure, you might be a good judge, but no one is perfect. The issue becomes when people start talking past each other. I don't know about anyone else, but that gets me personally quite frustrated, because I then get the sense that the discussion is futile.
I made it be the library with the fewest cards in it because I wanted the card to potentially work in a mill deck meant to target your opponents, as well as a mill deck meant to target yourself. Would making it only consider a single player's library potentially fix the issue? What are some things that could change to make the card more appealing? Or does it always boil down to the basic concept involving unpleasant levels of bookkeeping?
Also, yeah, I honestly think more discussion on design philosophies is always a good thing. If you're designing things with only yourself as the judge, and then putting them out there, they won't be good designs, necessarily. Sure, you might be a good judge, but no one is perfect. The issue becomes when people start talking past each other. I don't know about anyone else, but that gets me personally quite frustrated, because I then get the sense that the discussion is futile.
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I think the biggest thing is to only look at one library, and try to minimize the number of times you look. I'd guess counting cards in library takes about as much time/effort as shuffling, so doing it once or twice is totally fine. I think if one card is making you do it with both libraries potentially several times it could get annoying.
I think as far as payoff, IMO any effect that is "bigger" than just a big creature would work. Bigger could mean a spiky threat with effects that either make it really easy to win immediately or make it better against removal. Alternately you could go for big effects that hopefully make for memorable games.
I actually thought my card might not work within the rules but decided to just throw it out there.
I think as far as payoff, IMO any effect that is "bigger" than just a big creature would work. Bigger could mean a spiky threat with effects that either make it really easy to win immediately or make it better against removal. Alternately you could go for big effects that hopefully make for memorable games.
Just to be clear, I didn't vote for yours just because there were a ton of good submissions - the keyword thing basically didn't factor at all in voting and the only thing with the 4 time wasn't major. I obviously don't know your full intent, my initial reaction seeing the 4 counters was just that it wouldn't be super different from a permanent effect.bravelion83 wrote: ↑4 years agoRattingRotsShowHideYes, I had considered various other options: making its own keyword, just using vanishing, and/or increasing the mana cost to. But that card is supposed to come from one of my custom sets, private for now, and in that set both the mechanic being written out and the specific number being four make a lot of sense. Of course, you just couldn't know this, and it's hard to explain without saying more about that set and the story it's meant to tell. Maybe one day I will. I don't know.
As for your card for today, that's a neat idea, but unfortunately it doesn't work in the rules. Snow mana is not a type of mana you can add to your mana pool, it's just defined as "mana from a snow permanent".So that card is functionally the same as "Add ."CR 106.11 wrote: If an effect would add mana represented by one or more snow mana symbols to a player's mana pool, that much colorless mana is added to that player's mana pool.
I actually thought my card might not work within the rules but decided to just throw it out there.
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No problem. That's exactly how I feel today, I'm looking at the cards posted in the 14th thread and I'm really having a hard time choosing who to vote for because there are just a bunch of cards that I like, so I definitely understand what you say and how you felt. Also, I don't usually post cards from my own custom sets in the DCC (also the CCL and MCC), but I admit that yesterday I didn't have any good inspiration or anything else planned, so I thought about doing that for once. The opposite thing happens far more often, I design a card for the DCC and I end up thinking "this would actually make a lot of sense in this one of my custom sets" and I put it straight in that set's MSE file. I have several custom sets I'm working on at this time, at various stages, some that are still just a one-line idea with no cards designed yet, others with keywords and many cards already in them. All of them are private for now, but I don't exclude to share more about some or all of them in the future eventually.RattingRots wrote: ↑4 years agoJust to be clear, I didn't vote for yours just because there were a ton of good submissions - the keyword thing basically didn't factor at all in voting and the only thing with the 4 time wasn't major. I obviously don't know your full intent, my initial reaction seeing the 4 counters was just that it wouldn't be super different from a permanent effect.
Not a problem either. I really like the idea you were going for, it's very elegant and I love simple and elegant cards. They're way harder to design than it might look. I totally agree with you that "throwing it out there" was the right choice, sometimes you just have to take risks. I was just pointing it out mainly as the reason why I haven't voted for it. I would have totally voted for it if it had actually worked.I actually thought my card might not work within the rules but decided to just throw it out there.
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Crap, I misread this. With this change it has some powerful modes, but I agree that it's in the acceptable range for a mythic.slimytrout wrote: ↑4 years agoRattingRotsShowHideHappy to continue this in the discussion thread if you still disagree, but I think the "only any time you could activate a sorcery" rider makes this card much less busted. With that rider, it's very hard to engineer a situation where you get full value out of the creature *and* get to take an extra turn with it. Sacrificing it, attacking into blockers with it, having a removal spell pointed at it: all of those would lead to you losing the enchantment because you can't activate the ability in time. Obviously it's powerful, but so are many 6-mana mythics, and, from a constructed perspective, I think this card is actually substantially weaker than my cascade submission from a few days ago (and that card made you exile your hand!). In fact, this card isn't even strictly better than a 6-mana Time Warp, since it can be fizzled by your opponent's sacrifice or bounce.
I did happen to think your cascade spell was OP at least in a constructed environment where you can find the 0 mana suspend spells. It also has kind of a funny (yet seriously abusable) mode with Wheel of Fate.
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Yes, well worth nothing is the fact that the cascaded-into spell resolves before the spell with cascade.
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Yeah, between Hypergenesis and Living End (the latter is why I changed it to "Exile your hand"), I think Degenerate Rites would very easily earn its name and would almost certainly need to be banned in modern. Fortunately the cascading spell resolves before it does, since otherwise Restore Balance and Wheel of Fate would be absurd too. But I just thought it was too funny that you could make a card that was basically only one word added to One with Nothing and yet was absurdly powerful.
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However, in this case you have to choose to just throw a creature out there hoping in some cases that you'll get the +1/+1 counter you need to give your creature a favorable trade in combat, which I think would lead to unsatisfying gameplay too often.
There is a pretty interesting way to play this where you just use the transform to protect against creature removal.
I think if possible I would try to avoid aura tokens because I think they'd be slightly annoying to use, however this card makes them important and different enough to be worth the effort.
I like this a lot, however I would try to template it as closely as possible to Suspend.marioguy3 wrote: ↑4 years agoVotes: bravelion83, shukkets
Once Forgotten Goblin
Creature - Goblin (Uncommon)
Of Memory (You may exile this card from your hand. Whenever you cast a goblin spell, if Once Forgotten Goblin is in exile, put a retrieval counter on Once Forgotten Goblin. Then if there are three or more retrieval counters on Once Forgotten Goblin, remove all counters from Once Forgotten Goblin, then put Once Forgotten Goblin onto the battlefield.)
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I'm a huge explore fan and I think the mana smoothing is generally worth the "feel-bad" random moments.Krishnath wrote: ↑4 years agoExplorer's Morion
Artifact - Equipment (Rare)
Whenever the equipped creature attacks, it explores. (Reveal the top card of your library. Put that card into your hand if it's a land. Otherwise, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature, then put the card back or put it into your graveyard.)
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However, in this case you have to choose to just throw a creature out there hoping in some cases that you'll get the +1/+1 counter you need to give your creature a favorable trade in combat, which I think would lead to unsatisfying gameplay too often.
I like this a ton and I love that it can create some really unique interactions (especially when you are trying to damage your own creatures to generate birds). This was a notch below the cards I voted for though, because I think in a lot of "normal" combat cases, if you play this, whoever has the biggest creature comes out ahead, but if you don't, whoever has the biggest creature comes out ahead, so it feels a bit uninteresting strategically in normal combat (which it seems like it was primarly designed for).Rithaniel wrote: ↑4 years agoShredding Forms
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I think this card is slightly too high-tension (it is so bad in the games where it's bad), and I also think the fact that you need tons of creatures for this to do anything means that you end up not having as interesting a decision as similar alt mana cost cards.
I think this is a bit overcosted. The opportunity cost of having an expensive creature in the 'yard is so high, that paying 4 in addition I think is prohibitive.emily wrote: ↑4 years agoPull into the Abyss
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I would need more info on the larget context to really make a judgment on this. From what I can see, there would need to be great synergy for the equipment half to do much, and if there was, I don't know why you would swap it back and change it for removal.netn10 wrote: ↑4 years agoEver-Changing Licid
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There is a pretty interesting way to play this where you just use the transform to protect against creature removal.
I like this idea, but I think it's too powerful and flexible. Your opponent almost has no way to win with normal combat if this is out.void_nothing wrote: ↑4 years agoShellminder Patroness
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I'm not sure if this exact wording works within the rules, because you are making a "copy of this enchantment" while it's a spell. In addition, it could lead to some potentially confusing situations due to the fact that the copies never have to go on the stack. In any case I got what this was supposed to do and I'm very confident there is a way to make this work within the rules.slimytrout wrote: ↑4 years agoEthereal Regalia
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Enchanted creature gets +1/+1 for each enchantment you control.
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I think if possible I would try to avoid aura tokens because I think they'd be slightly annoying to use, however this card makes them important and different enough to be worth the effort.
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Yeah, I agree that it's a bit tricky within the rules. I could have made it simpler by making it an ETB trigger, but I didn't want the whole thing to be fizzled just by bouncing/killing the original target. Would be interested if anyone has a way to phrase it that doesn't run into this complication but also actually works.
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Good thing that black is full of creatures that are evasive then, ain't it. And green has some as well in the form of small creatures with deathtouch. Green also has a tendency to produce large amounts of small token creatures, which gives the color a way to use the Explorer's Morion outside of evasion as said tokens are often quite expendable. The card is not designed for the purpose of helping your creatures get bigger, but to help with ramping.RattingRots wrote: ↑4 years agoI'm a huge explore fan and I think the mana smoothing is generally worth the "feel-bad" random moments.
However, in this case you have to choose to just throw a creature out there hoping in some cases that you'll get the +1/+1 counter you need to give your creature a favorable trade in combat, which I think would lead to unsatisfying gameplay too often.
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Thanks for the feedback, and I'm glad you liked the design. I woud have actually argued that, when this spell is played, things tend to equalize more than anything, though. Like, if a 9/9 is attacking into a 3/3, then the person with the 3/3 now has nine 1/1 flyers, where the person with the 9/9 has a 6/6 and three 1/1 flyers. It does favor blocking high power creatures with low power ones, as that gives you more 1/1s, of course. So, provided all things are equal, I'd say it favors whoever is currently blocking. Though, perhaps there were issues that I didn't foresee.RattingRots wrote: ↑4 years agoI like this a ton and I love that it can create some really unique interactions (especially when you are trying to damage your own creatures to generate birds). This was a notch below the cards I voted for though, because I think in a lot of "normal" combat cases, if you play this, whoever has the biggest creature comes out ahead, but if you don't, whoever has the biggest creature comes out ahead, so it feels a bit uninteresting strategically in normal combat (which it seems like it was primarly designed for).
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I think you're right and I got it backwards in my head.Rithaniel wrote: ↑4 years agoThanks for the feedback, and I'm glad you liked the design. I woud have actually argued that, when this spell is played, things tend to equalize more than anything, though. Like, if a 9/9 is attacking into a 3/3, then the person with the 3/3 now has nine 1/1 flyers, where the person with the 9/9 has a 6/6 and three 1/1 flyers. It does favor blocking high power creatures with low power ones, as that gives you more 1/1s, of course. So, provided all things are equal, I'd say it favors whoever is currently blocking. Though, perhaps there were issues that I didn't foresee.
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I think looking back, uncommon is probably better. I've been trying to come up with commons, but some of my ideas end up being better in uncommon. I do think the comparison is to Hierogliphic Illumination, not just straight up Inspiration. I don't necessarily think my card is better in a vacuum than Illumination, however I do think Illumination is already a really good common, and the specific cases where my card is better are cases where you can use either countermagic or the threat of countermagic to ice the game, and the card becomes big and splashy enough that it should be uncommon.slimytrout wrote: ↑4 years agohm: almost voted for rattingrots, but I think it's substantially too strong to be common -- straight up 4-mana draw two at instant speed is already a reasonable common card, and I don't think an extra U in the casting cost balances out adding a counterspell mode.
EDIT: I also misremembered Chemister's Insight as a common, which made me more confident downshifting.
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Wow I completely missed this. Guess I should read the flavor text next time lol.
Mechaincally I think it was a bit weird having a 2/1 vigilance. I don't necessarily think it's bad to do this, but for something like the DCC it's probably not going to pop out mechanically.
Was the card a typo? I think the card makes a lot of sense if it taps for 1 mana to cast a demon.
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[mention]Krishnath[/mention]: I like the card concept, but I have two notes, one more important than the other, that made me not vote for it.
1) As you kind of intuited, this isn't exactly the right wording. From the rules: "702.101a Fuse is a static ability found on some split cards (see rule 708, "Split Cards") that applies while the card with fuse is in a player's hand." So I'm pretty sure it should be "split cards in your hand have fuse." But this isn't such a big deal, since it's the DCC.
2) Not at all sure why this is hybrid blue-green. I can see mono-blue, or hybrid blue-red, or even *maybe* gold blue-green to encourage ramping/splashing, but green is the most permanent-friendly color, and correspondingly the least spell-friendly (or perhaps second-least, to white, but white at least gets plenty of "rules-setting" enchantments). And since split cards by definition aren't permanents, green seems like the last color that would get an enchantment that makes your instants and sorceries better -- much more likely to punish your opponents for casting them, especially if they target your creatures.
1) As you kind of intuited, this isn't exactly the right wording. From the rules: "702.101a Fuse is a static ability found on some split cards (see rule 708, "Split Cards") that applies while the card with fuse is in a player's hand." So I'm pretty sure it should be "split cards in your hand have fuse." But this isn't such a big deal, since it's the DCC.
2) Not at all sure why this is hybrid blue-green. I can see mono-blue, or hybrid blue-red, or even *maybe* gold blue-green to encourage ramping/splashing, but green is the most permanent-friendly color, and correspondingly the least spell-friendly (or perhaps second-least, to white, but white at least gets plenty of "rules-setting" enchantments). And since split cards by definition aren't permanents, green seems like the last color that would get an enchantment that makes your instants and sorceries better -- much more likely to punish your opponents for casting them, especially if they target your creatures.
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To be entirely honest, I made it partially green because green is severely lacking in mechanics that aren't creature based, pretty much all the colors have abilities that interact both with permanents and spells, except green. Giving split cards fuse is hardly something that unbalances the color compared to the others as it is extremely narrow design space (and lets be honest, would never get printed in a standard legal set because it is *so* narrow), and it gives green some spell interaction, although very limited such. It also felt like a very Simic thing to do, combining spells, but I do see your point that it would make more sense in another color combination (probably red-blue/izzet in that case), but that feels like giving a kid who has too many toys even more toys to play with.slimytrout wrote: ↑4 years agoKrishnath: I like the card concept, but I have two notes, one more important than the other, that made me not vote for it.
1) As you kind of intuited, this isn't exactly the right wording. From the rules: "702.101a Fuse is a static ability found on some split cards (see rule 708, "Split Cards") that applies while the card with fuse is in a player's hand." So I'm pretty sure it should be "split cards in your hand have fuse." But this isn't such a big deal, since it's the DCC.
2) Not at all sure why this is hybrid blue-green. I can see mono-blue, or hybrid blue-red, or even *maybe* gold blue-green to encourage ramping/splashing, but green is the most permanent-friendly color, and correspondingly the least spell-friendly (or perhaps second-least, to white, but white at least gets plenty of "rules-setting" enchantments). And since split cards by definition aren't permanents, green seems like the last color that would get an enchantment that makes your instants and sorceries better -- much more likely to punish your opponents for casting them, especially if they target your creatures.
I'll fix the wording in my files, but it is way to late to fix the post. :D
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That's okay. I like Finding Nemo a lot and thought of that anglerfish when designing the card.RattingRots wrote: ↑4 years agoSorry if that didn't come across as flippantly as I intended. I only said it because the actual MtG representation of an anglerfish (Gurmag Angler) is a freakishly giant fish that uses dead bodies as it's lure.
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As I said earlier in the month, netn10's Cowardly Lion card inspired me to try to finish the cycle. What I came up with is in the spoiler below. Cowardly Lion is exactly as netn10 had it, and my Search for Home is just his Search for Courage, but moved to the Dorothy card, where I think it really belongs. All of these cards are still very raw. I put very little thought into them, and haven't looked at them since the night i made them, but I thought they were kinda fun.
On a side note, someone mentioned something about making flying monkeys when netn10 posted Cowardly Lion......When I first began making custom cards, I was working on a Return to Innistrad set (before it actually happened), and the set focused on Witches as a new tribe. I think I posted this card in the very first DCC I ever participated in....
Flying Monkeys
Creature — Ape
Flying
At the beginning of your upkeep, if you control a Witch, create a 1/1 black Ape creature token with flying.
1/1
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Search For Courage
Sorcery — Adventure (Rare)
Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature. You gain 2 life.
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Cowardly Lion
Creature - Cat (Rare)
Whenever Cowardly Lion becomes blocked, return it to its owner's hand.
"I am not afraid anymore, when I have such friends by my side."
4/4
Search for Intelligence
Sorcery — Adventure
Draw a card.
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Overstuffed Scarecrow
Artifact Creature — Scarecrow
Whenever ~ blocks a creature, scry 2 then return to it to its owner's hand.
0/3
Search for Heart
Sorcery — Adventure
Search your library for an adventure card and exile that card on an adventure. Shuffle you library.
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Rusted Tin Man
Artifact Creature — Construct
Rusted Tin Man enters the battlefield tapped and doesn't untap during your untap step.
Whenever you cast a creature spell that has an adventure, untap Tin Man.
4/4
Hasty Youth
Creature — Human Peasant
Haste
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Search for Home
Sorcery — Adventure
If you own the following cards that are on an adventure, you win the game —
• Cowardly Lion
• Overstuffed Scarecrow
• Rusted Tinman
Sorcery — Adventure (Rare)
Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature. You gain 2 life.
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Cowardly Lion
Creature - Cat (Rare)
Whenever Cowardly Lion becomes blocked, return it to its owner's hand.
"I am not afraid anymore, when I have such friends by my side."
4/4
Search for Intelligence
Sorcery — Adventure
Draw a card.
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Overstuffed Scarecrow
Artifact Creature — Scarecrow
Whenever ~ blocks a creature, scry 2 then return to it to its owner's hand.
0/3
Search for Heart
Sorcery — Adventure
Search your library for an adventure card and exile that card on an adventure. Shuffle you library.
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Rusted Tin Man
Artifact Creature — Construct
Rusted Tin Man enters the battlefield tapped and doesn't untap during your untap step.
Whenever you cast a creature spell that has an adventure, untap Tin Man.
4/4
Hasty Youth
Creature — Human Peasant
Haste
2/1
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Search for Home
Sorcery — Adventure
If you own the following cards that are on an adventure, you win the game —
• Cowardly Lion
• Overstuffed Scarecrow
• Rusted Tinman
Flying Monkeys
Creature — Ape
Flying
At the beginning of your upkeep, if you control a Witch, create a 1/1 black Ape creature token with flying.
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[mention]Flatline[/mention] You have no idea how happy the thought that this all started with me posting a card on my birthday makes me, one that then took a life of its own and evolved into this! Is the lack of a black card in the cycle intentional?
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[mention]bravelion83[/mention] I didn't realize that that's where this all started, but I'm certainly happy if you are.
Yes, the lack of a black card was intentional. That's reserved for another Oz-themed card that I may just post tonight (those even remotely familiar with Wizard of Oz can probably guess what the card is).
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Yes, my birthday card inspired netn10 to make the Cowardly Lion, which then inspired you to expand the cycle and me to make another card, the Loyal Leonin. Or at least, this is how I've taken it until now. I'm only discovering now with you mentioning it that the Wizard of Oz might have been the actual inspiration for the Cowardly Lion, which honestly makes me sad. I thought it was netn10's birthday gift to me... while now I understand it probably wasn't. I know absolutely nothing about the Wizard of Oz. Literally, the only thing that I know is that there is a story with that name. I've never read it, and never read or seen any derived work. I was wondering who Dorothy (from your previous post) was... And I'm sure I will not get the reference on the black card. Oh, well, I'm still choosing to believe that the Cowardly Lion was for me... Only now you've made me understand that this might have been just a huge misunderstanding due to me not knowing the source material. Well, thank you for letting me know the truth at least...
[mention]netn10[/mention], honestly, what was your actual inspiration for the Cowardly Lion? Me, something from the Wizard of Oz (that I can't know because I don't know it at all), or maybe both?
[mention]netn10[/mention], honestly, what was your actual inspiration for the Cowardly Lion? Me, something from the Wizard of Oz (that I can't know because I don't know it at all), or maybe both?
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[mention]bravelion83[/mention] I'm sorry if I unintentionally burst your bubble. It's possible that nent10 intended his Cowardly Lion card as a b'day present to you, but he was certainly taking his cue from The Wizard of Oz. In it, there is a character that's named Cowardly Lion that goes with a girl named Dorothy (and also a Scarecrow and a Tin Lumberjack) on The Yellow Brick Road to visit The Wizard of Oz (who is the inspiration for my card tonight - All Powerful Illusion). Each one of them is searching for something different: Lion - courage; Scarecrow - a brain; Tin Man - a heart; Dorothy: a way home after being swept away by a tornado to the magical land of Oz. I would be remiss if I didn't mention how amazed I am that I am explaining the plot of The Wizard of Oz to someone. I know you don't live in The States, but I assumed that just about everyone on the planet knew that movie. I don't know that I'd say that about any other movie. General pop culture-wise, I would probably say the same thing about The Beatles or Micheal Jackson.
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