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It's great that they keep giving him previews in spite of his blatantly honest preview videos. He really tore one of the cards they gave him a new one.
I think that is exactly the reason they keep giving him preview cards. WotC wants honest feedback, the more the better, so they can give us an optimal product.
For a fan set and in general, I'd love a side set that was about the start of the guilds that would feature all the paruns. So far its only her, Gologari and Gruul we haven't gotten yet right?Krishnath wrote: ↑4 years agoI think that is exactly the reason they keep giving him preview cards. WotC wants honest feedback, the more the better, so they can give us an optimal product.
It isn't always that they get it right however, but they do try.
As for the card itself, I like it. It's the kind of fringe, but value, rare I like to see in the commander decks.
Also, on a side note, I wonder when WotC will be giving us a Mat'Selesnya card. Heck, I want cards for all the original Paruns that haven't gotten cards yet.
afaik we don't even know who the Simic Parun was5colorsrainbow wrote: ↑4 years agoFor a fan set and in general, I'd love a side set that was about the start of the guilds that would feature all the paruns. So far its only her, Gologari and Gruul we haven't gotten yet right
Thats right! All we know is thier first or last name was simic.CubJay wrote: ↑4 years agoafaik we don't even know who the Simic Parun was5colorsrainbow wrote: ↑4 years agoFor a fan set and in general, I'd love a side set that was about the start of the guilds that would feature all the paruns. So far its only her, Gologari and Gruul we haven't gotten yet right
Deck | Power |
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Inferno | 5 |
Devoured by Dragons | 5 |
Midnight Hunt | 6 |
Hidden Dragon | 6 |
Chaos Reigns | 6 |
Draconic Onslaught | 7 |
How is it broken exactly? I mean, in these deck's colors it might be possible to set up some sort of infinite daisy chain with Ancestral Statue + Mana Echoes (copying a token you have enough of) or Kor Skyfisher + Earthcraft, but..those things are already well-known degenerate infinite combos, and this is sort of just a win-more on top of them. I'm sure there's also something in a Bant deck that has used Cackling Counterpart on some powerful creature that it then quasiduplicates over and over (or any deck, with Helm of the Host), but again I imagine that those decks and combos are already powerful without this and we're mostly throwing a coat of red paint on our perfectly built racecar.
Make a token version of any monster creature with a heck ETB trigger then just cast a spell you can end games fastHawk wrote: ↑4 years agoHow is it broken exactly? I mean, in these deck's colors it might be possible to set up some sort of infinite daisy chain with Ancestral Statue + Mana Echoes (copying a token you have enough of) or Kor Skyfisher + Earthcraft, but..those things are already well-known degenerate infinite combos, and this is sort of just a win-more on top of them. I'm sure there's also something in a Bant deck that has used Cackling Counterpart on some powerful creature that it then quasiduplicates over and over (or any deck, with Helm of the Host), but again I imagine that those decks and combos are already powerful without this and we're mostly throwing a coat of red paint on our perfectly built racecar.
In the average boardstate, this is a six mana enchantment that says "whenever you cast a spell, get a 4/4" - which makes it mostly less powerful than Sigil of the Empty Throne (assuming both are in decks built to abuse them). Sure, sometimes it's way more than that (Desolation Twin, Giant Adephage, Dragonmaster Outcast), but on the flipside sometimes all you have is a 1/1 dork token or worse, you cast this and then get Wrath'd and now it does nothing.
It's super fun, but would probably be among my first cuts from this deck because it's so slow and so risky compared to the deck's commander, the newly previewed Selesnya Euologist, and Growing Ranks.
Alright bud, let's entertain a best case for your scenario here:CommanderMaster999 wrote: ↑4 years agoMake a token version of any monster creature with a heck ETB trigger then just cast a spell you can end games fastHawk wrote: ↑4 years agoHow is it broken exactly? I mean, in these deck's colors it might be possible to set up some sort of infinite daisy chain with Ancestral Statue + Mana Echoes (copying a token you have enough of) or Kor Skyfisher + Earthcraft, but..those things are already well-known degenerate infinite combos, and this is sort of just a win-more on top of them. I'm sure there's also something in a Bant deck that has used Cackling Counterpart on some powerful creature that it then quasiduplicates over and over (or any deck, with Helm of the Host), but again I imagine that those decks and combos are already powerful without this and we're mostly throwing a coat of red paint on our perfectly built racecar.
In the average boardstate, this is a six mana enchantment that says "whenever you cast a spell, get a 4/4" - which makes it mostly less powerful than Sigil of the Empty Throne (assuming both are in decks built to abuse them). Sure, sometimes it's way more than that (Desolation Twin, Giant Adephage, Dragonmaster Outcast), but on the flipside sometimes all you have is a 1/1 dork token or worse, you cast this and then get Wrath'd and now it does nothing.
It's super fun, but would probably be among my first cuts from this deck because it's so slow and so risky compared to the deck's commander, the newly previewed Selesnya Euologist, and Growing Ranks.
This is from a guy who knows all about how much Inexorable Tide was underrated till atraxa showed up
Clone tokens. Now you're populating on every spell. Even without that, there are cards which produce some pretty huge tokens. Getting another 5/5 or 6/6 with every spell is a huge deal.
We have only gotten Izzet (Niv-Mizzet), Azorius (Azor), Dimir (Szadek), Golgari (Svogthos) and Rakdos (Rakdos). The Ghost Council we got was not the original, but rather the one that was around when the original Ravnica happened, the members of it change throughout the years, with most members only lasting a couple of centuries at most before getting replaced. That means that we don't have Selesnya (Mat'Selesnya), Simic (Unknown), Gruul (Unknown), Boros (Unknown), and technically Orzhov.5colorsrainbow wrote: ↑4 years agoOmg yes, I need 4 for my seleynsa deck.
For a fan set and in general, I'd love a side set that was about the start of the guilds that would feature all the paruns. So far its only her, Gologari and Gruul we haven't gotten yet right?Krishnath wrote: ↑4 years agoI think that is exactly the reason they keep giving him preview cards. WotC wants honest feedback, the more the better, so they can give us an optimal product.
It isn't always that they get it right however, but they do try.
As for the card itself, I like it. It's the kind of fringe, but value, rare I like to see in the commander decks.
Also, on a side note, I wonder when WotC will be giving us a Mat'Selesnya card. Heck, I want cards for all the original Paruns that haven't gotten cards yet.
we on the same page!Rumpy5897 wrote: ↑4 years agoOk, I'll bite, and continue your thought exercise. I come equipped with the perfect deck for this to work in - Daxos the Returned. The deck's both tokens and enchantments, and would welcome this sort of effect in a vacuum for a reasonable mana investment. I'd windmill this in if it were 3CMC, and consider it at 4. However, 6 feels steep as hell. This is where Bolas Rock and True Conviction live. I already don't run Sigil of the Empty Throne, which craps angels for five mana in a similar fashion.
Razia is known and is carded. Its possible that the Ghost Council has a member who was a parun, the art book mention they where dead when they signed.Krishnath wrote: ↑4 years agoWe have only gotten Izzet (Niv-Mizzet), Azorius (Azor), Dimir (Szadek), Golgari (Svogthos) and Rakdos (Rakdos). The Ghost Council we got was not the original, but rather the one that was around when the original Ravnica happened, the members of it change throughout the years, with most members only lasting a couple of centuries at most before getting replaced. That means that we don't have Selesnya (Mat'Selesnya), Simic (Unknown), Gruul (Unknown), Boros (Unknown), and technically Orzhov.5colorsrainbow wrote: ↑4 years agoOmg yes, I need 4 for my seleynsa deck.
For a fan set and in general, I'd love a side set that was about the start of the guilds that would feature all the paruns. So far its only her, Gologari and Gruul we haven't gotten yet right?Krishnath wrote: ↑4 years ago
I think that is exactly the reason they keep giving him preview cards. WotC wants honest feedback, the more the better, so they can give us an optimal product.
It isn't always that they get it right however, but they do try.
As for the card itself, I like it. It's the kind of fringe, but value, rare I like to see in the commander decks.
Also, on a side note, I wonder when WotC will be giving us a Mat'Selesnya card. Heck, I want cards for all the original Paruns that haven't gotten cards yet.
Was Razia a Parun, or only the guildleader at the time of the block?5colorsrainbow wrote: ↑4 years agoRazia is known and is carded. Its possible that the Ghost Council has a member who was a parun, the art book mention they where dead when they signed.Krishnath wrote: ↑4 years agoWe have only gotten Izzet (Niv-Mizzet), Azorius (Azor), Dimir (Szadek), Golgari (Svogthos) and Rakdos (Rakdos). The Ghost Council we got was not the original, but rather the one that was around when the original Ravnica happened, the members of it change throughout the years, with most members only lasting a couple of centuries at most before getting replaced. That means that we don't have Selesnya (Mat'Selesnya), Simic (Unknown), Gruul (Unknown), Boros (Unknown), and technically Orzhov.5colorsrainbow wrote: ↑4 years agoOmg yes, I need 4 for my seleynsa deck.
For a fan set and in general, I'd love a side set that was about the start of the guilds that would feature all the paruns. So far its only her, Gologari and Gruul we haven't gotten yet right?
Razia was definitely the parun.Krishnath wrote: ↑4 years agoWas Razia a Parun, or only the guildleader at the time of the block?5colorsrainbow wrote: ↑4 years agoRazia is known and is carded. Its possible that the Ghost Council has a member who was a parun, the art book mention they where dead when they signed.Krishnath wrote: ↑4 years agoWe have only gotten Izzet (Niv-Mizzet), Azorius (Azor), Dimir (Szadek), Golgari (Svogthos) and Rakdos (Rakdos). The Ghost Council we got was not the original, but rather the one that was around when the original Ravnica happened, the members of it change throughout the years, with most members only lasting a couple of centuries at most before getting replaced. That means that we don't have Selesnya (Mat'Selesnya), Simic (Unknown), Gruul (Unknown), Boros (Unknown), and technically Orzhov.