I've been playing Obeka, Brute Chronologist on Magic Online for a few days and have a few questions.
Blade of Selves has myraid and on the card itself its says "Exile the tokens at end of combat".
Now specifically it doesn't say "end of next combat" which a lot of end of turn cards might say.
What happens (on MTGO) is that say if I end combat before I get to the actual trigger at end of combat, then the exile triggers are delayed until the literally next combat which will be in opponents turn. Is this correct or a bug?
Also what happens with creating a token creature say with Feldon of the Third Path and then attacking with that creature with Teferi's Veil in play?
Will it phase back in at beginning of the turn and still have the trigger of "Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step." from Feldon of the Third Path ability?
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Blade of Selves doesn't itself have myriad; rather it grants the equipped creature myriad.
And myriad indeed says "...exile the tokens at end of combat" (C.R. 702.115a). Here, "at end of combat" means "at the beginning of the next end of combat step" (C.R. 511.2, 603.7b). (No Magic cards at the time of this writing have the exact phrase "end of next combat" or "end of the next combat"). Thus, assuming at least one token was created, the delayed triggered ability referred to ("exile the tokens at end of combat") will trigger at the beginning of the next end of combat step after myriad resolves, which will usually be in the same combat phase (C.R. 702.115a, 603.7, 506.1). But if the turn ends with Obeka---
EDIT (Dec. 16): Correctness edit.
Go to full postAnd myriad indeed says "...exile the tokens at end of combat" (C.R. 702.115a). Here, "at end of combat" means "at the beginning of the next end of combat step" (C.R. 511.2, 603.7b). (No Magic cards at the time of this writing have the exact phrase "end of next combat" or "end of the next combat"). Thus, assuming at least one token was created, the delayed triggered ability referred to ("exile the tokens at end of combat") will trigger at the beginning of the next end of combat step after myriad resolves, which will usually be in the same combat phase (C.R. 702.115a, 603.7, 506.1). But if the turn ends with Obeka---
- before that end of combat step begins, this will move the turn to the cleanup step (skipping any phases and steps in between, including the end of combat step) (C.R. 717.1d; see also C.R. 717.2e), so that the delayed triggered ability will wait until the next end of combat step, whenever that is (so it can trigger this way even as an end of combat step of another combat phase begins, as long as it didn't trigger already) (C.R. 603.7b, 614.10a). In this respect, Magic Online is correct. See also this thread and this thread.
- during that end of combat step and while the ability is still on the stack, that ability will be exiled and won't trigger again (C.R. 603.7b, 717.1b), which means the tokens won't be exiled by that ability even in future combat phases. See also this thread.
EDIT (Dec. 16): Correctness edit.
Blade of Selves doesn't itself have myriad; rather it grants the equipped creature myriad.
And myriad indeed says "...exile the tokens at end of combat" (C.R. 702.115a). Here, "at end of combat" means "at the beginning of the next end of combat step" (C.R. 511.2, 603.7b). (No Magic cards at the time of this writing have the exact phrase "end of next combat" or "end of the next combat"). Thus, assuming at least one token was created, the delayed triggered ability referred to ("exile the tokens at end of combat") will trigger at the beginning of the next end of combat step after myriad resolves, which will usually be in the same combat phase (C.R. 702.115a, 603.7, 506.1). But if the turn ends with Obeka---
EDIT (Dec. 16): Correctness edit.
And myriad indeed says "...exile the tokens at end of combat" (C.R. 702.115a). Here, "at end of combat" means "at the beginning of the next end of combat step" (C.R. 511.2, 603.7b). (No Magic cards at the time of this writing have the exact phrase "end of next combat" or "end of the next combat"). Thus, assuming at least one token was created, the delayed triggered ability referred to ("exile the tokens at end of combat") will trigger at the beginning of the next end of combat step after myriad resolves, which will usually be in the same combat phase (C.R. 702.115a, 603.7, 506.1). But if the turn ends with Obeka---
- before that end of combat step begins, this will move the turn to the cleanup step (skipping any phases and steps in between, including the end of combat step) (C.R. 717.1d; see also C.R. 717.2e), so that the delayed triggered ability will wait until the next end of combat step, whenever that is (so it can trigger this way even as an end of combat step of another combat phase begins, as long as it didn't trigger already) (C.R. 603.7b, 614.10a). In this respect, Magic Online is correct. See also this thread and this thread.
- during that end of combat step and while the ability is still on the stack, that ability will be exiled and won't trigger again (C.R. 603.7b, 717.1b), which means the tokens won't be exiled by that ability even in future combat phases. See also this thread.
EDIT (Dec. 16): Correctness edit.