Tong Sonzong of the West
Legendary Creature - Human Monk (M)
Prowess
Instant and sorcery spells you control with a converted mana cost 2 have rebound.
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell from exile, you may pay . If you do, copy it. You may choose new targets for the copy.
"Once I learned, twice I mastered."
2/3
Kunokar, Grievance Blade
Legendary Creature - Cat Warrior (M)
Vigilance
Whenever a creature you control is dealt damage by a creature an opponent controls, ~ deals 3 damage to that creature's controller and you gain 3 life.
, : Another target creature you control fights target creature an opponent controls.
"The feelings of hatred are mutual!"
3/5
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Tong, on first read I assumed it had "or less" which would have made it way stronger. Without that I feel it's too constraining. I think this would benefit from costing X and using counters to charge the CMC of spells it cares about.
Kunokar, this punishes normal combat way too much. I'm not certain if noncombat is required or if there is a way to mitigate it such that combat isn't completely one sided
Kunokar, this punishes normal combat way too much. I'm not certain if noncombat is required or if there is a way to mitigate it such that combat isn't completely one sided
Keep in mind Tong doubling ability checks ALL cards cast from exile, not just from rebound effects. I addition, Tong effectively tripples 2cc spells you cast. He is very powerful as is and offers more choices than first appears.
Kunokar might be better if your creature has to survive.
Kunokar might be better if your creature has to survive.
Eh, for five mana, and lacking UB in its colour ID, I think a naya commander is allowed to wreck face in the combat phase. I like that Kunokar does this without just being "your big creatures are even bigger".
"Combat damage to creatures you control is dealt in the form of +1/-1 counters. Whenever a creature you control recieves one or more +1/-1 counters this way, it deals 3 damage to the controller of the creature that dealt combat damage to it and you gain 3 life."
Wordy and clunky, but it tries to tie the idea of revenge and kind of raging out, which seems to be what Kunokar is about.
I love Tong because I'm a fan of spellslinger but tired of the usual approach of "copy big spells". I also love the flavour text - I'm such a sucker for the eastern mystic aesthetic in Jeskai.
If he needs a nerf in that department, which I'm not convinced of, what about this:Kunokar might be better if your creature has to survive.
"Combat damage to creatures you control is dealt in the form of +1/-1 counters. Whenever a creature you control recieves one or more +1/-1 counters this way, it deals 3 damage to the controller of the creature that dealt combat damage to it and you gain 3 life."
Wordy and clunky, but it tries to tie the idea of revenge and kind of raging out, which seems to be what Kunokar is about.
I love Tong because I'm a fan of spellslinger but tired of the usual approach of "copy big spells". I also love the flavour text - I'm such a sucker for the eastern mystic aesthetic in Jeskai.
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Main decks;
Neheb, Big Red Champion Yeva's Mono Green Control, Ayara's Aristocrats Greven, Predator Captain the One Punch Man, Derevri, Empirical Tactician Aggro, Tymna & Kraum's Saboteurs, Kondo & Tymna's Hatebears Tuvasa's Silver Bullets, Brudiclad does Brudiclad things Sidisi, Brood Tyrant (lantern control)
Bruna, the Fading Light (card advantage tribal / reanimator)Main decks;
Neheb, Big Red Champion Yeva's Mono Green Control, Ayara's Aristocrats Greven, Predator Captain the One Punch Man, Derevri, Empirical Tactician Aggro, Tymna & Kraum's Saboteurs, Kondo & Tymna's Hatebears Tuvasa's Silver Bullets, Brudiclad does Brudiclad things Sidisi, Brood Tyrant (lantern control)
I already like both cards, but I wonder if the abilities on both cards shouldn´t cost more:Icarii wrote: ↑4 years agoTong Sonzong of the West
Legendary Creature - Human Monk (M)
Prowess
Instant and sorcery spells you control with a converted mana cost 2 have rebound.
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell from exile, you may pay . If you do, copy it. You may choose new targets for the copy.
"Once I learned, twice I mastered."
2/3
Kunokar, Grievance Blade
Legendary Creature - Cat Warrior (M)
Vigilance
Whenever a creature you control is dealt damage by a creature an opponent controls, ~ deals 3 damage to that creature's controller and you gain 3 life.
, : Another target creature you control fights target creature an opponent controls.
"The feelings of hatred are mutual!"
3/5
Tong Sonzong - I would make the ability cost either or , since it feels like a colored ability, and I don´t expect a deck that has this as commander to have mana shortage.
Kunokar - I expect an activation to result most of the times in a favorable swing in board advantage, or at least in a trade. For a repeatable effect, I think is appropriate. You might consider putting it at sorcery speed, but maybe that´s too big of a nerf, as you still have to have some board presence.
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