MeowZeDung wrote: ↑4 years ago
It's too bad GE Oketra doesn't trigger when you pull off the mass recursion nonsense a la Servitude and Rally. Perhaps you could consider Champion of the Parish and Thalia's Lieutenant? Without evasion the huge bodies would still be meh, but perhaps there's a +1/+1 counter combo to be had somewhere here?
Heron's Grace Champion for mass lifegain perhaps?
Anafenza, the Foremost is a free hatebear with Morophon out that would play real nice with board wipes.
I think that Champion of the Parish and Thalia's Lieutenant aren't really strong enough to go for. They'd probably be good in 60x4, and maybe in Limited, but, I don't feel like a 4/4 beater you have to work for would be good here. I had to reread Anafenza to note she's asymmetric (wow!) and I think HGC has some real potential as a post-hoc surprise buff, especially when put together with Morophon's buff. The lifelink is what really sells it for me; my group's games tend to grind on pretty long, and gaining life can be a big deal.
lyonhaert wrote: ↑4 years ago
Secret Salvage is some fantastic tech there. I've been eyeing a couple Damia lists for Relentless Rats right here and also here. There might be some tech in those to ponder.
Grim Haruspex could be a decent redundancy for Harvester of Souls if you need it. And it might be rather winmore if you've got enough Apostles out, but Abhorrent Overlord is a good demon for black devotion.
Secret Salvage is a card I'm really fond of, but it's clearly
useless very narrow in EDH. I'm torn on the idea that it might be
too busted; imagine you search 20+ Apostles, drop them for free, tutor three demons... It's a bit much. I'm working on a 60x4 'name-magic' deck that wants to use
Retraced Image and
Mitotic Manipulation (among other janky cards), but, it's forever on the backburner.
Abhorrent Overlord is an interesting idea. I think he suffers the same problem as
Harvester of Souls where he would (ostensibly) show up right after a bloody massacre of Apostles. It just kind of feels bad (and, I have the same side-eye towards HoS). Grim Haruspex has the good grace to be human, in addition.
toctheyounger wrote: ↑4 years ago
Edgewalker is a staple in the Athreos Shadowborn, perhaps a mini Morophon here?
Almost certainly.
I use Night of Souls' Betrayal in Dralnu. People don't think much of it until it turns off their elves/goblins and dorks in general. Could be a good add.
I actually specifically
don't want to run NoSB. The problem is that if they kill Morophon (which isn't hard), I get totally borked by my own card. Feelsbad.
I don't know what the specific win con is here other than find demons for profit, which is fair enough. Although Athreos is a win-con all of it's own. That being said, getting a whole lotta Apostles on board, dropping some of them for say Archfiend of Despair then Mirrorweaveing the rest for an alpha strike sounds as nuts as any other Mirrorweave play.
Mirrorweave is definitely coming in. It's an onerous enough 'combo' that it's probably okay in my group.
I think non-combo wincons are probably going to be an issue for the deck. I'm reluctant to make it Aristocrats, and Demons alone probably don't win it (even with Liliana's Contract).
Are we looking at other 'creature type' matters cards? Here's what I found:
My group frowns on powerful combo pretty hard, so
Faces of the Past is probably unwelcome. It's an interesting angle to just make them a 'human tribal' deck with a handful of demons at the top end, and that was something I was considering. I think that's how most of the Athreos versions run; they're Aristocrat/human tribal, and just hope for the best.
Definitely worth thinking about.
Hard to know what else to suggest as I'm not sure specifically where you're taking the deck outside of the apostles, but otherwise there's some great humans about:
I think I want to avoid playing humans just for humans sake without some strategy that really sells it, or unless it's free (or near-free) with a really powerful effect (like
Saskia the Unyielding). Maybe some of the singularly powerful cards would be worth it, but, I don't think I want to play Sun Quan for
4U rather than
4UU. Kindred stuff in general, (especially
Kindred Discovery, since the only thing better than playing free cards is getting free draws in addition) might make the cut, as well as singularly powerful cards like
Shared Animosity or
Coat of Arms.
Does any of that help?
Definitely!
Segrus wrote: ↑4 years ago
I have a mostly casual Apostle deck, and I make really good use of Lifeline in it. I also really like being able to get multiple uses out of Gallows at Willow Hill. Cryptolith Rite also really gets the mana going wherever you've got a bunch of low-cost humans.
I could definitely play Gallows, haha. Cryptolith Rite is also a good one.
Dragonlover wrote: ↑4 years ago
I'm wondering if Syr Konrad the Grim might be a good add here, especially if you're going down that mass reanimation route. He might just deck the table by himself, and it's always good to have a route to victory that doesn't involve the red zone, just in case.
Yes. I think for the deck to really shine, some Aristocrats will probably be necessary. Syr Konrad is definitely a consideration, though his mana cost is pretty high (reduced by Morophon though!!!)
Thanks for all the advice everyone! I'll update the list once I have some more time!
