FTV: Fetchlands (plus Chandra spellbook)

[clariwench]

To be fair, a lot of the people needing fetches can't use proxies. I know some people use them in casual EDH games, but I've never actually met anyone who was okay with it in real life.

[idSurge]

There are fetchland's available, just go buy em?

[if4ko]

WOTC: We recognize the need to reprint the enemy fetchlands in a way that's affordable to consumers.

Also WOTC: Here's Fetchlands: Mythic Edition, complete with the limited print run. And if you miss out, don't worry. Just drop $200 on all our Secret Lairs and you'll get a random one! It could be a Tarn for your Modern deck, it could be a Misty for your EDH deck, or it could be a Marsh Flats.

I can at least understand why they aren't in Zendikar Rising. Nobody needs fuel to get out a Turn 4 Titan or do some Breach shenanigans. Sure, they're probably going to be in Commander Legends, but I'd be very surprised if it was at a Modern Horizons/Mystery Booster price point. You know a product fell short of meeting the goal when the guy you hired to do your announcement said it fell short.

[The Fluff]

this makes me feel that they care a lot about the secondary market.

[Krishnath]

this makes me feel that they care a lot about the secondary market.

In a way they do. They can't officially of course, but they are also well aware that if they completely ignore it and reprint cards to much, they make a lot of their paying customers angry. So they do a compromise. Release a set of alternate art fetches like this, and then reprint them later in a booster product. However, since they think they are to powerful for standard (together with duals, they tend to be), they are also going to reprint fetches in a nonstandard legal product later. Thus having minimal impact on the secondary market.

[The Fluff]

yeah, I know they would have to deal with gambling laws and stuff like that. And I agree they cannot reprint cards into the dirt. The guy who bought a playset of tarns from me in 2017 is safe, because of cautious wotc reprint policy.

[clariwench]

There are fetchland's available, just go buy em?

Aaaaaaaand you're the problem. I, for one, want formats like Modern to be accessible to more people and don't think something like lands should be prohibitively expensive.

[idSurge]

You dont need fetches. You dont.

You want them, well they are available (other than Misty's on some sites, which is problematic) so there you go.

Should they be reprinted? Absolutely. I bought all of mine on reprints. Khans, and Masters set.

They are available however, and they are not 'required' to play the format.

[ilovesaprolings]

You dont need fetches. You dont.

%$#%$#%. You only make a joke of yourself with this level of fanboysm

[idSurge]

lol look up my post history and tell me I'm a wizards fanboy.

Play Burn, Play Tron. Play ETron. Play Prowess. Play Titan.

[Rumpy5897]

Problem is, fetches help out just about everywhere. Back in the day, I played mono-green stompy in Modern, and then AER came around and suddenly people were running ten fetches in a mono-green deck to support Narnam Renegade. I've seen max fetches advocated in mono-colour EDH decks for the sheer purpose of upping the effectiveness of stuff like Sensei's Divining Top. They help out a durdle turtle of mine with Top, Crucible of Worlds, and double up as brick protection when Bolas Rock comes around. In my lone tricolour deck, they help provide lovely colour fixing. Sure, you don't need them. But they sure as hell help a lot, across formats, in a ridiculous number of places.

[idSurge]

Absolutely. The recent 'balance' injected into eternal formats in the way of UG cards has driven Misty Rainforest to near $100 last I looked.

Its absolutely unreal that Wizards has not printed them into a Standard set to bring down the costs.

[The Fluff]

checked at SCG ---- tarns are 69.99 nm, and 59.85 played. Misty are 69.99 nm, so I would assume the played versions are 59.85 as well. From how much I sold tarns in 2017, could say the price is stable, that's actually the price I sold them two years ago. Misty Rainforest made a large increase though, I remember they were only 45-50 near mint in 2017. I have to thank these fetches, the cash I got for selling my two misty got me a camera that I still use today, so thanks wotc. Got them while they were 10 dollars in zendikar standard.

[Rumpy5897]

Tarns hit a hundred before Pioneer got announced. Anything but stable.

[idSurge]

Very few Tarn's on a few of the sites I check, looks like people are worried by this insignificant 'reprint' and picking them up.

[The Fluff]

hmm, that's possible. But I also feel it's a method employed by most online stores, displaying only a few available for sale even if they have plenty of stock... so if the price suddenly jumps, only a few can be bought by hoarders.. after the few on display are sold out... they can then display the rest of their cards at the higher price after some days.

[idSurge]

Perhaps, but Card Kingdom had sold out at $99 the other day, back up with 6 at $69 today. Seems weird.

[NZB2323]

To be fair, a lot of the people needing fetches can't use proxies. I know some people use them in casual EDH games, but I've never actually met anyone who was okay with it in real life.

Why wouldn't you be okay with someone using proxies? If there's no money and prizes involved proxies should be allowed. People at my store use proxies all the time.

[The Fluff]

as long as there isn't any money or prize on the line. My playgroup is fine with proxies. We do it all the time, to test if a card is worth buying or not. Saves cash.

[clariwench]

My group just doesn't do it. It feels like it defeats the entire purpose of it being a collectible/trading card game. There would be no point to pimping out a deck if it was full of printouts. I don't care what other groups do, but I wouldn't play against someone using proxies.

[Guardman]

I haven't been to my LGS playgroup for a few months due to work and, um... other world events. But proxies were never an issue. And for some expensive cards, like the original dual lands, people would use proxies even if they had the originals. The view of them is that the game is meant to be fun for everyone and more about skill than who has the fat wallets to pay for the hundred dollar cards or has played for 25 years.

Part of this is also probably due to the fact that the most popular event is the Modern Monday tournament, which allows fifteen "playtest" cards. So there is no stigma to proxies in the LGS.

Also allowing proxies doesn't stop people from pimping out there decks. There is one guy who plays modern who has a completely foil Mono-G Tron deck with Kaladesh Invention Wurmcoil Engines.

[NZB2323]

My group just doesn't do it. It feels like it defeats the entire purpose of it being a collectible/trading card game. There would be no point to pimping out a deck if it was full of printouts. I don't care what other groups do, but I wouldn't play against someone using proxies.

The point of the game is to play and have fun, especially in a casual, social format like Commander. People who don't have as much money should be able to play as well, just like how you don't need to spend a lot of money to play chess, bridge, or connect 4, you shouldn't need to spend a lot of money to play Magic.

Now I've spent a lot of money on cards, but I also have proxies in a lot of my decks. Would you rather that in between games I take my expensive cards out of one deck to put them in another while you sit there and wait for me, or use my proxies in my other decks? I guess I'd have to use my $30 pauper Edric deck in order to play against you. It's pretty elitist to not allow proxies in a game with no money and no prizes when the name of the game is Magic the Gathering.

[clariwench]

Like I said, I don't know a single person in real life (from stores or my social circle) who is okay with proxies. My playgroup takes pride in our decks and half of the fun comes from that. It just... defeats the purpose of it being a collectible/trading card game, like what's the point in buying any card if proxies are going to be allowed?

[The Fluff]

not sure if you're replying to me... but the point of proxying in our group is to test the card. Not because we won't ever buy it. For example, I put a proxy dream trawler in my list, shuffle it, play some test games. If the proxy performed well, then I will buy it at scg. If the card did not perform well, then I will not buy it. It's a waste to buy something, then later find out after it arrived that it's not the right fit for my deck. Btw, none of the cards in the decks that I use in fnm are proxied.

[NZB2323]

Like I said, I don't know a single person in real life (from stores or my social circle) who is okay with proxies. My playgroup takes pride in our decks and half of the fun comes from that. It just... defeats the purpose of it being a collectible/trading card game, like what's the point in buying any card if proxies are going to be allowed?

The point of buying tournament legal cards is to use them at tournaments.