Thinking a new "Flash" won't pop up is foolhardy. By nature, being competitive and going out of one's way to play the best possible decks, lines of play and cards results in there always being decks that overshadow the rest.
Not always, although this could end up being true in cEDH's case. Many competitive formats exist in states of equilibrium until new cards are printed or old cards are banned, where certainly you end up with a notable "Tier 1" and "Tier 2," but no boogeyman that overpowers diversity.
Demonic Consultation and Thassa's Oracle will soon become the new dead horse to beat.
This could certainly happen. Then again, with decks like my personal favorite (Blood Pod) free to play slower, more interactive games, and other decks not worried about the omnipresent instant-speed win, they are freed up to check Consultation decks, and likewise, people switch to decks that have strong stax matchups in the hopes of taking advantage of slower games.
People want to say "Oh thank goodness now we don't have to keep hearing about Flash!" but it's never going to end.
I do hope the "please ensure a good metagame" arguments don't disappear forever. I am sorry that the existence of people using different arguments on the Internet is so harmful to your health. This isn't some endless chorus of psychological torments, I do hope. That would be dreadful.
As long as cEDH remains the antithesis of Commander
How exactly is this the case, besides the fact that they're having fun in a way you personally find unpleasant and somehow rude?
is obstinate in it's disuse of Rule 0
If this were any other competitive format, I don't think you would argue for the players to regulate themselves until the ruling body got along to addressing their grievances. Besides, isn't one of the rules of EDH to have fun? And if this fun involves not using rule 0, is it suddenly not fun? Or are cEDH players somehow misguided children that have spent years upon years sticking their heads in the sand and screaming loudly so as to ignore how they've been breaking the rules the entire time? I wonder if there would be some way to make a rule that prohibits cEDH play. Maybe that would force them to go off into their corner and stop having fun in a way where vapors of their existence do not disturb you.
they - collectively - will be a problem for the greater community.
Players trying to have fun is a great problem. Aside from the few people who play Flash in their casual decks, some to prove a point that it's a fair card that isn't ban-worthy, or any "competitive-only" card in general, I doubt the majority of their players feel infringed upon by a ban of a card they probably weren't relying upon. Imagine if EDH were originally created as a format by competitive players to have a dynamic multiplayer format, and eventually adopted widespread appeal both casually and competitively. If the new theoretical RC were unwilling to ban casual boogeymen because they weren't a problem elsewhere, would people feel disrespected?
The "animosity" exists because they're the ones asserting themselves into conversations with casual players calling every other preview card "trash" or "uninteresting"
Where are you getting this? Reddit? I agree this negativity is a problem, but I attribute it more to general Reddit toxicity and rudeness rather than some failure of the competitive mindset. This happens with every spoiler regardless if EDH is the topic of discussion, especially off the main MTG subreddit. If you don't like that, go somewhere else; players being pessimistic about every new spoiler are often wrong with their assessments anyway, and isn't something that cEDH should be blamed for unless you want to make your fight against competitive Magic as a whole.
because it doesn't fit into their narrow view of what is "good" in a casual format.
I don't think it's a niche view to want to avoid playing cards that are obviously outclassed by other cards, even if some take pride in purposely optimizing pet cards. And once again, does u/leethaxorz420 or whoever really hurt you and other players so much if he says that a card costs too much mana to be playable?
The "animosity" exists because when trying to explain the concerns and ripples turning Commander competitive causes in the community or having a serious discussion,
As I stated in another thread at some point, if you're trying to make the same argument for months or years with no effect, perhaps you are wrong, not your opponents. I also am quite curious what you think is a "serious" discussion. Presumably this is any discussion that ends with your opponents conceding their points and agreeing that you were right all along, because we've tried the other approach and it clearly hasn't worked.
they post insulting meme images and gifs on Twitter to anyone who disagrees with them
This is a widespread Internet phenomenon, and one that isn't specifically targeted at you and your views.
that doesn't use bad faith arguments
This is a very useful catch-all term to describe "arguments I disagree with". Surely not all the pro-cEDH arguments raised throughout all these threads are bad faith arguments, and if you think they all are, perhaps your pre-existing biases are preventing you from listening to opponents correctly. And this does apply to players arguing the opposite too, don't worry.
RC's good weather friends like Jim
Ah yes, I see. He isn't willing to unfailingly fall in line with the RC's philosophy, so somehow he is a secret agent intent on destroying all fun. Implicitly or explicitly attempting to purge contrary voices to create an echo chamber, and then complaining that those who disagree have ulterior motives, is not conducive to the "serious" discussion you seem to want.
because they insist that the rules shouldn't apply to them
Yes, they're insisting to be able to have fun in their own way, that rule 0, ostensibly one intended to encourage playgroup discretion, in fact mandates groups self-police instead of hoping that the regulatory body of their format could provide some guidance. The only solution to this would be to somehow create a rule forcing groups to use rule 0, that they can't choose not to self-police. Good luck with that.
that we should ban niche cards for them
Perhaps Flash is a niche card as a whole, but within that fairly vocal niche, it certainly isn't. Just because you don't see a card being used in your playgroup doesn't mean it isn't elsewhere. Anecdotal evidence does not trump all. If I were to argue that something like Braids should be unbanned because it's fairly niche (naturally no player of good moral constitution would play something that dares to prevent another player from telling their story through their deck), that wouldn't be a great argument.
that they can't use Rule 0 like everyone else
I'm curious how well you think competitive tournaments of any format would run if everyone playing were playing under their own house rules previously. I personally think the result is that those players would be heavily disadvantaged, as many are going to say they want to play in a competitive environment that does not indulge the right to sweep problems under the rug. Could one use of Rule 0 be its consensual disappearance?
that they should be treated equally as "EDH" players despite insisting on using the deck construction rules of the format and nothing else representative of it's intent
Is intent a rule? Is it listed as a rule that people should play "casually"? You're minimizing the fact that the only difference is power level and perhaps mindset, neither of which are officially mandated. cEDH is EDH, at least until a rule is made that bans it. Go ahead. Good luck with getting that to happen.
and yet bemoan not being considered EDH players.
Once again, until there is an official rule that makes this distinction official besides "playgroups may have fun in their own way" (which I may add does not have the parenthetical text "unless it isn't what we consider fun"), this is not the case.
Don't misrepresent the core issues with the majority of their heard and seen presence that has lead to the so-called "animosity".
Is the majority of the format personally offended by a ban which doesn't affect them?
And as usual, y'all cherry pick to the extreme and latch onto the one single thing you can
For one, don't assume that just because someone disagreed with your comparison to Nazis that they're automatically a cEDH player. And secondly, if you're trying to create a persona of good judgment, neither that remark nor trying to sweep any mentions of it under the rug will help you. If I murdered someone, but otherwise lived a normal life, I think it would be fair for that to color people's perception of me.
and regurgitate it ad nauseam when possible
I feel like I only see that comment brought up whenever you say things that could be perceived as uncivil or toxic. Those terms are not equal to "things I disagree with".
capability or desire to actually discuss outside of stamping your feet when you don't get your way.
The ample pages of discussion on these forums seem to indicate otherwise, and if you don't believe that's actual discussion, what is? At this point I'd assume it's any discussion that ends with cEDH players admitting they're wrong.
Thanks for proving my point, as you love to do so well.
Thanks for proving their point that you seem awfully insular in your arguments.
