Tzoulis wrote: ↑4 years ago
cfusionpm wrote: ↑4 years ago
Wraithpk wrote: ↑4 years ago
For sure, we're going to try to envision what decks might do if Twin was like 5 or 6% of the meta. So we don't want to warp current lists around Twin, but just make some small adjustments. For instance, with Burn we're playing 1 Exquisite Firecraft, which already sees some play, and 1 Rending Volley, which is less common now, but was played more in 2015.
Save your Temur list for me, we're going to get to that and also Grixis, but let's figure out what we want to do with Jeskai before we move on.
In context of today's meta, it's kind of silly to think of what people used to consider "warping." Against Twin, the things that are good are like creature removal, discard spells, and counterspells. And then sometimes people had 1-2 slots in the side for like a Spellskite and a singleton Volley. Meanwhile, the State of the Format thread is talking about how Whirza needs GY hate, artifact hate, sweepers, targeted removal, needle effects, and exile-based answers, while simultaneously not losing to any one of them individually. It's really quite breathtaking of a contrast going back and forth between threads.
That's a gross misrepresentation of what's being talked in the other thread. Listing what's effective is NOT the same as saying you MUST have all of the above to even have a chance.
If you want to be pedantic, why should decks have a such a restrictive removal (
Rending Volley) solely for the purpose of combating Twin? Isn't that warping? If that' "warping" is acceptable what's your problem in having specific hate for Urza, where other than Deafening Silence, everything else has multiple applications.
I just think it's silly to complain about the "warping" of a deck that is easily interacted with using traditional, main deck tools like discard, counters and removal. But then also say that another deck, which requires multiple, narrow answers, that are all different, and none of which are that effective individually, just highlights how much mindsets have changed with regards to what is and is not OK for Modern.
Also Fry is considerably better since it hits a number of relevant targets. People who complained that rending volley was warping, we're probably playing Decks that chose not to interact on any meaningful axis, and we're hoping that to sideboard running volleys would be enough for that matchup. Abrupt Decay is also a card many have forgotten about.