pokken wrote: ↑2 years ago
plaganegra wrote: ↑2 years ago
@yeti1069 and anyone else finding themselves playing in long grindy games where you have the opportunity to build the kind of board that could make you lose to mill. You can always put an elixir of immortality in your deck. You can get it back with sevinne's. And you can pop it after a mass reanimate to skirt the downside. I was thinking about it. Maybe theres a better option but that one came to mind.
Elixir of Immortality is just not worth the squeeze I don't think.
Generally speaking you can use
Volrath's Stronghold or
Unholy Grotto to beat mill most of the time - unless they happen to have instant speed mill effects, in which case I'm fine to just lose.
Because we don't mill all that much and most tuned decks are playing
Entomb it might be worth playing
Kozilek, Butcher of Truth - it's a bit of a blunt instrument.
First on the hit parade vs mill is probably a second instant speed reanimate like
Wake the Dead or
Rally the Ancestors. If you get milled almost out, hit one of those and it's party time
Just to be clear I would never play elixir in my deck, but if you find yourself going through your library for one reason or another with frequency it is time to add a combo, or something like elixir, or evaluate your card choices.
Those top of deck lands wont save you from your own draw effects or varina, but would def stop mill for at least a couple turns assuming you don't do anything at all with your board (most likely). If anything you are just delaying your inevitable demise...
I wouldnt use kozilek either, much more likely to screw up your GY or be a dead card than save you from mill in most games. elixir is very controllable and only costs 1 mana, self contained, recurrable with cards many of us use already. Has some marginal utility in an average game at low cost, and at least you can discard it with Varinas ability without shuffling the Yard.
Again, mill shouldn't be a problem at all in Varina and probably indicates another inefficiency with the deckbuilding. Mill players actually help us win, and if you are drawing your deck and not winning thats a symptom to a different problem...
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