Well, on the theme booster the liquid is silver, so....BeneTleilax wrote: ↑3 years agoCould be, but I think it turning out to be oil is more likely than Strixhaven turning out to be an original and well-rounded work of fantasy.Krishnath wrote: ↑3 years agoIt's called ink. You know, something you use with a quill to write. >.<BeneTleilax wrote: ↑3 years agoWell, save for that black, oily substance on the Silverquill prerelease pack
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Wizards had said on the previous week's Weekly MTG that they had something special planned for the next week's. This was not a reaction to the leaks and was planned ahead of time. They've started doing sneak peeks to help stores gauge interest for pre-orders. I'm not sure what the article going up later in the day has to do with anything because they just did it after the regularly scheduled stream time. The leak with the college names was 100% just a store getting confused about dates and putting their pre-orders up a few days early.
Literally the only similarity between HP and Strixhaven is that it's a magic school. Wow, what a ripoff. The house/college system is completely different, and almost every university has colleges that divide students out into their specialties and is named after someone important involved with founding/funding it. People just desperately want it to be similar to HP so they can rage about it. It's so boring and predictable. We've seen FIVE cards.
Literally the only similarity between HP and Strixhaven is that it's a magic school. Wow, what a ripoff. The house/college system is completely different, and almost every university has colleges that divide students out into their specialties and is named after someone important involved with founding/funding it. People just desperately want it to be similar to HP so they can rage about it. It's so boring and predictable. We've seen FIVE cards.
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Ah yes, every school names its different houses after their founders, with blunt magic-y sounding kennings, no specific resemblances there. It's not just it being a magical school, it's the color palette of all the art we've seen, it's the aforementioned names, heck, it's even the look of the watermarks. As these are indeed the cards WotC deliberately chose to establish their tone, I do not think it unreasonable to predict the tone of the set from them. It's you and Krisnath that are refusing to look deeper than it being a magic school at present.clariwench wrote: ↑3 years agoLiterally the only similarity between HP and Strixhaven is that it's a magic school. Wow, what a ripoff. The house/college system is completely different, and almost every university has colleges that divide students out into their specialties and is named after someone important involved with founding/funding it. People just desperately want it to be similar to HP so they can rage about it. It's so boring and predictable. We've seen FIVE cards.
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Literally every university or private school the world over is either named by its founder, the leader of the country when it was founded, or the location it was built. Stop acting like something is unique to Harry Potter when it isn't. If anything, Harry Potter is incredibly bland, and the only two good things it did was get a generation to read and blessed the world with some good actors that might never have been discovered if it weren't for Warner Bros. buying the movie rights at the height of the books popularity.BeneTleilax wrote: ↑3 years agoAh yes, every school names its different houses after their founders, with blunt magic-y sounding kennings, no specific resemblances there. It's not just it being a magical school, it's the color palette of all the art we've seen, it's the aforementioned names, heck, it's even the look of the watermarks. As these are indeed the cards WotC deliberately chose to establish their tone, I do not think it unreasonable to predict the tone of the set from them. It's you and Krisnath that are refusing to look deeper than it being a magic school at present.
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The theatre building at my school was named after the department head at the time who helped build it. The English department building was named after the wife of the schools founder.
Really if you look at strixhaven and only see Harry Potter make you need to read more. I used to think those memes about HP fans not reading anything was just a meme but dang y'all proving the meme right.
Really if you look at strixhaven and only see Harry Potter make you need to read more. I used to think those memes about HP fans not reading anything was just a meme but dang y'all proving the meme right.
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I'm not a Harry Potter fan, and I'm not sure where you're getting that. I've specifically referenced the Earthsea cycle, The Magicians, the Books of Magic and LotR to stave of y'all's facile comparison to those. Also, you note that they are named for their founders, but not that the names tend to be really obvious spins on existing words or kennings (combinations of existing words stuck end-to-end) which is very much JKR's style. Nor am I saying it alone is my reason for assuming an outsized Harry Potter influence, rather the names, the watermarks, the color palette used and the general tone of the art all point towards Harry Potter in combination. If you look at any one aspect as if it were an isolated occurrence, I have no doubt you'd be able to claim Half-Blood Prince isn't actually based off Harry Potter.
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So do many fanasty authors, even magic with Angrath (anger wrath).BeneTleilax wrote: ↑3 years agoI'm not a Harry Potter fan, and I'm not sure where you're getting that. I've specifically referenced the Earthsea cycle, The Magicians, the Books of Magic and LotR to stave of y'all's facile comparison to those. Also, you note that they are named for their founders, but not that the names tend to be really obvious spins on existing words or kennings (combinations of existing words stuck end-to-end) which is very much JKR's style.
Not quiet seeing the art, maybe Silverquill but thats really it, thought art is subjective so what is there are you seeing from all the schools that says Harry Potter? I don't see what your talking about at all with the water marks.Nor am I saying it alone is my reason for assuming an outsized Harry Potter influence, rather the names, the watermarks, the color palette used and the general tone of the art all point towards Harry Potter in combination. If you look at any one aspect as if it were an isolated occurrence, I have no doubt you'd be able to claim Half-Blood Prince isn't actually based off Harry Potter.
And we already have a number of differences from HP;
-Its a college not a Middle/High school nor a boring school. This also means all the students will be ~18+ (except for a child genius trope I would bet we'd see more likely than not).
-Its has non-human students and teachers that seem able to use magic in the same ways.
-Related above none of shared non-humans between Harry Potter and Strivhaven look similar (thought we have to wait to see the cultures of them) and most seem to be out right in different tropes spaces.
*might be orcs
-Also we have a number of non-humans not in Harry Potter such as dryads, the three different kind of beast folk we have seen so far, elementals, kor, ogres or half-demons.
-Nothing about the flavor outright screams UK and currently seems like Ikoria or Zendikar and not hugely based on anything real world.
-The subjects are magical version of real world subjects than pure magic.
-The subjects are also what separates the students, like a real college, not some inherited traits.
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Right, but having such names for all the houses certainly points towards Harry Potter influence.5colorsrainbow wrote: ↑3 years agoSo do many fanasty authors, even magic with Angrath (anger wrath).
The design of the watermarks resembles the style of the house symbols or w/e for HP. The art is in a very colorful, almost childish style, which is reminiscent of the movies and the countless YA knockoffs.5colorsrainbow wrote: ↑3 years agoNot quiet seeing the art, maybe Silverquill but thats really it, thought art is subjective so what is there are you seeing from all the schools that says Harry Potter? I don't see what your talking about at all with the water marks.
I would not be so sure of that, given that an atypical number of the characters depicted on the packaging look like children. and several figures on Lorehold Command5colorsrainbow wrote: ↑3 years ago-Its a college not a Middle/High school nor a boring school. This also means all the students will be ~18+ (except for a child genius trope I would bet we'd see more likely than not).
These are all one point, and yes, they have more tribes than Harry Potter. I think this has far more to do with how WotC tries to push as much niche tribal support as they can into recent sets to improve casual/EDH marketability than any broader lore point.5colorsrainbow wrote: ↑3 years ago-Its has non-human students and teachers that seem able to use magic in the same ways.
-Related above none of shared non-humans between Harry Potter and Strivhaven look similar (thought we have to wait to see the cultures of them) and most seem to be out right in different tropes spaces.
*might be orcs
-Also we have a number of non-humans not in Harry Potter such as dryads, the three different kind of beast folk we have seen so far, elementals, kor, ogres or half-demons.
The names are all quite anglophone, and I'd be hard-pressed to find any real-world culture Strixhaven resembles more than the pop-culture hybrid of the UK and the US5colorsrainbow wrote: ↑3 years ago-Nothing about the flavor outright screams UK and currently seems like Ikoria or Zendikar and not hugely based on anything real world.
The subjects in Harry Potter were generally British boarding school subjects, just with a lazy coat of magic gloss. Herbology=Biology, Quidditch=PE, etc.5colorsrainbow wrote: ↑3 years ago-The subjects are magical version of real world subjects than pure magic.
No, they're separated by color, aka what magic their soul or whatever is drawn to. Almost something that could be detected and categorized by some sort of magic hat.5colorsrainbow wrote: ↑3 years ago-The subjects are also what separates the students, like a real college, not some inherited traits.
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I see your point but again I don't see that being just a HP thing.BeneTleilax wrote: ↑3 years agoRight, but having such names for all the houses certainly points towards Harry Potter influence.5colorsrainbow wrote: ↑3 years agoSo do many fanasty authors, even magic with Angrath (anger wrath).
The design of the watermarks resembles the style of the house symbols or w/e for HP. [/quote]5colorsrainbow wrote: ↑3 years agoNot quiet seeing the art, maybe Silverquill but thats really it, thought art is subjective so what is there are you seeing from all the schools that says Harry Potter? I don't see what your talking about at all with the water marks.
The HP are crest and shields with animals in them. Nothing like these ones.
I don't see this any different from sets like Battlebond, Ixalan or even Kaldheim with the rainbow aura on everything.The art is in a very colorful, almost childish style, which is reminiscent of the movies and the countless YA knockoffs.
And you do know magical school genre in general are YA?
I would not be so sure of that, given that an atypical number of the characters depicted on the packaging look like children.5colorsrainbow wrote: ↑3 years ago-Its a college not a Middle/High school nor a boring school. This also means all the students will be ~18+ (except for a child genius trope I would bet we'd see more likely than not).
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All of which are non-humans, are to tell how old they are or if they play by non-human aging (such as how Nissa is 60 but in elf years that makes her mid-20's).
Most of then humans don't look that much age difference than Will and Rowan who are barley 18.
And I think the "child" on Lorehold Command is a dwarf.
These are all one point, and yes, they have more tribes than Harry Potter. I think this has far more to do with how WotC tries to push as much niche tribal support as they can into recent sets to improve casual/EDH marketability than any broader lore point.[/quote]5colorsrainbow wrote: ↑3 years ago-Its has non-human students and teachers that seem able to use magic in the same ways.
-Related above none of shared non-humans between Harry Potter and Strivhaven look similar (thought we have to wait to see the cultures of them) and most seem to be out right in different tropes spaces.
*might be orcs
-Also we have a number of non-humans not in Harry Potter such as dryads, the three different kind of beast folk we have seen so far, elementals, kor, ogres or half-demons.
The recent tribal push is to have a running them through the year since they moved away from full on blocks and need mechanical ties.
And point still remains though they are in different trope spaces, the elves are Tolkien/magic ones, the ghosts are spirits of the past called to lean from, Dragons are not beast like, ect and uses a larger and diverse range. HP was very human centered and only humans where students.
The names are all quite anglophone, and I'd be hard-pressed to find any real-world culture Strixhaven resembles more than the pop-culture hybrid of the UK and the US[/quote]5colorsrainbow wrote: ↑3 years ago-Nothing about the flavor outright screams UK and currently seems like Ikoria or Zendikar and not hugely based on anything real world.
And Hp is a cultural icon of the Uk. Anything that isn't a looking like UK boring school already dilutes comparisons as the really only "original" thing about it.
This being a full on magical world vs hidden from the real world also dilutes as a big trait of HP, that its set in the real world.
The subjects in Harry Potter were generally British boarding school subjects, just with a lazy coat of magic gloss. Herbology=Biology, Quidditch=PE, etc. [/quote]5colorsrainbow wrote: ↑3 years ago-The subjects are magical version of real world subjects than pure magic.
Herbology = Botany
I don't see where stuff like charms, transfiguration or defenses against the dark art is anything in real schools, thought potions is pretty much chemistry. But again Strixhaven very much have the real world subject front and center vs "magical school subject" found in myth or folklore, which also atypical of most of the wider genre even.
On that note Quidditch is more = to sports teams which Strixhaven seems to be missing.
No, they're separated by color, aka what magic their soul or whatever is drawn to. Almost something that could be detected and categorized by some sort of magic hat.image.pngimage.png5colorsrainbow wrote: ↑3 years ago-The subjects are also what separates the students, like a real college, not some inherited traits.
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Color pie is still an element yes, but the point your going into Witherbloom to be a biologist not cause your happen to be brave of heart. I doubt they are "sorted" so much are young adults looking for higher education is a subject.
And look not saying there isn't or won't be any Harry Potter influences but again how much of this is HP and how much of it is touching on stuff that the wider magical school genre (and what looks like also typical college life) has that HP also touches on. So far Strixhaven doesn't seem anymore directly HP than Innistrad is to Twilight or Anne Rice.
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Dude, no. D&D used similar naming conventions 20 years before the first Harry Potter book was released, and even then it was nothing new.BeneTleilax wrote: ↑3 years agoRight, but having such names for all the houses certainly points towards Harry Potter influence.
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There's bound to be some influence, no doubt, and I feel that this discussion all boils down to how much influence one believes there is.
Magical school/academy is a pretty old and widespread trope (so much that it's even a trope in mamga/anime), and MtG itself explored that to an extent. Plus sets already have factions, which neatly aligns with whole house/college/fraternity structure, and I think college/university culture is even more of a mainstay in Western culture than HP.
I think it's obvious that HP's pervasiveness in pop-culture influenced/played a big role in the selection of the setting for this bottom-up set, and there are bound to be references for the same reasons, but the previous being true does not necessarily means it's explicitly based on HP.
In the end, it's going to come down to one's own interpretation on the extent of HP's influence on the set.
EDIT: If there's a kraken in the lake, a treefolk/giant groundskeeper, a greenhouse full of monstrous plants, and a course on raising monsters, then yeah, it's pretty blatant.
Magical school/academy is a pretty old and widespread trope (so much that it's even a trope in mamga/anime), and MtG itself explored that to an extent. Plus sets already have factions, which neatly aligns with whole house/college/fraternity structure, and I think college/university culture is even more of a mainstay in Western culture than HP.
I think it's obvious that HP's pervasiveness in pop-culture influenced/played a big role in the selection of the setting for this bottom-up set, and there are bound to be references for the same reasons, but the previous being true does not necessarily means it's explicitly based on HP.
In the end, it's going to come down to one's own interpretation on the extent of HP's influence on the set.
EDIT: If there's a kraken in the lake, a treefolk/giant groundskeeper, a greenhouse full of monstrous plants, and a course on raising monsters, then yeah, it's pretty blatant.
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A big difference i'm seeing from HP is that the founders aren't human and maybe they are still alive.
I wonder if they are "real" elder dragons, or just big dragons that wanted to look cool like the Tarkir ones
I wonder if they are "real" elder dragons, or just big dragons that wanted to look cool like the Tarkir ones
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I'm guessing we will see them as legends in the commander decks, imo be a cute nod to have a cycle of elder dragons made for commander.ilovesaprolings wrote: ↑3 years agoA big difference i'm seeing from HP is that the founders aren't human and maybe they are still alive.
I wonder if they are "real" elder dragons, or just big dragons that wanted to look cool like the Tarkir ones
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Well, if the Ur-Dragon visited the plane and put down a clutch of eggs that hatched into dragons, then they are real Elder dragons.ilovesaprolings wrote: ↑3 years agoA big difference i'm seeing from HP is that the founders aren't human and maybe they are still alive.
I wonder if they are "real" elder dragons, or just big dragons that wanted to look cool like the Tarkir ones
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Going by the college descriptions there'll definitely be a course on raising monsters.Sporegorger_Dragon wrote: ↑3 years agoEDIT: If there's a kraken in the lake, a treefolk/giant groundskeeper, a greenhouse full of monstrous plants, and a course on raising monsters, then yeah, it's pretty blatant.
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Hey I just remember "Professor onyx" was revealed and she's actually liliana (as in gatewatch liliana)
She made the mystical archive? That would explain Demonic Tutor because of a little contract
She made the mystical archive? That would explain Demonic Tutor because of a little contract
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Pretty sure the archive is considerably older than she is, even if she is a couple of centuries old.CommanderMaster999 wrote: ↑3 years agoHey I just remember "Professor onyx" was revealed and she's actually liliana (as in gatewatch liliana)
She made the mystical archive? That would explain Demonic Tutor because of a little contract
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so let me get this straight, Liliana leaves after the war of the spark, buys a dress in Fiora and then turns into naughty teacher? wow, did not see that coming.
ive always had a little sum tin sum tin for Queen Marchesa and Teysa, Envoy of Ghostsand now with that Dress Pronyx is added to the list.
so do we know anything about the plane Strixhaven. . .or is that the school name? are there many schools or just this one? Im sorta thrown off that there are two planes walkers already probably a third. . .like, tenure? no background checks I guess.its going to be a real bummer that some of the schools aren't led by a planes walker.
ive always had a little sum tin sum tin for Queen Marchesa and Teysa, Envoy of Ghostsand now with that Dress Pronyx is added to the list.
so do we know anything about the plane Strixhaven. . .or is that the school name? are there many schools or just this one? Im sorta thrown off that there are two planes walkers already probably a third. . .like, tenure? no background checks I guess.its going to be a real bummer that some of the schools aren't led by a planes walker.
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nice, this makes things a lot more interesting.CommanderMaster999 wrote: ↑3 years agoHey I just remember "Professor onyx" was revealed and she's actually liliana (as in gatewatch liliana)
She made the mystical archive? That would explain Demonic Tutor because of a little contract
I wonder if she plans to live peacefully in this plane? Or she planning something again?
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