I assume you are talking about Coalition Victory ? It hardly seems deliberate to build your deck with fetches and duals, which a lot of people do already even in casual games. And, considering a lot of 5 color generals already handle the other half of the card on their own, CV is more about "w...

But winning out of nowhere has never been a self-sufficient criteria for the banlist. Many combos can be played in EDH after all. The problem comes when a single card allows you to win out of nowhere almost immediately, without a significant setup and with no particular deckbuilding restrictions . ...

When watching the various cEDH YouTube channels Thassa's Oracle seems to have a very homogenizing effect; even Hulk decks now tend to win with Consult Oracle lines. This to me is much more disturbing - or rather boring - than having Flash Hulk as the de facto best deck in the meta. There seem to be...

It's astonishing how people can bemoan not being heard and/or being ignored when they're not getting their way. "No one is evaluating Flash, just the philosophy!" Could that be because, other than a very small, overly vocal minority that... Flash isn't a problem for everyone else? That th...

But to all the philosophy and banlist purpose discussion, I have just one thing to add: Had the RC, in 2017, announced that Protean Hulk was unbanned and Flash was banned, would that have been a total failure of the philosophy of the format? It would have been weirdly arbitrary in the face of the p...

But to all the philosophy and banlist purpose discussion, I have just one thing to add: Had the RC, in 2017, announced that Protean Hulk was unbanned and Flash was banned, would that have been a total failure of the philosophy of the format? I know there were other arguments surrounding Iona and Pai...

Of course, I wasn't suggesting that the banlist should operate on utilitarianism, I was just replying to the idea that utilitarianism would mean that any max power oriented ban should be discarded as a matter of course.

A) It wouldn't prevent pubstomping, people who WANT to pubstomp will always be able to they'll have less excuses How? Now the people with max power commander decks will have literally no one to play against but more casual players, since the people who actually want the challenge are playing a diff...

While utilitarianism understandably rubs a lot of members here the wrong way, especially if the cost-benefit analysis doesn't agree with their personal opinion, from my personal perspective it is the right call. That's how society works: there are always winners and losers, and nobody is forcing yo...

As someone who doesn't play cEDH, how would you ever know if you encountered a well behaved cEDH player. Maybe 3/4 of the people you consider "casual" players have fully foiled out Thrasios Tymna decks, and you'd just never know because they aren't big enough pricks to play them against y...

I'll be honest, there are handful of respectful posters here and a small proportion on reddit, and that's pretty much it. Every cEDH player I've met IRL has been a pubstomper with no one to play against after first game they ruin. The people at my LGSs, they play Commander for social pants-on-head ...

i'd love to see a topic there,along the lines or just asking if a solved format is okay when it is applied to EDH. I imagine it would be downvoted into dissappearing. Kinda depends on what "solved" means. It's arguable that a format with no "solution" is possible, because there ...

This is only kind of relevant, but it annoyed me immensely: recently on TCC the prof had a cEDH proponent come on and talk about the format while subtly insulting other commander players. But what really made me laugh, and made me suspect that a lot of cEDH players have no idea what they're talking...

The point is that while it's good, it's only truly a problem for a pretty small portion of the community. Yet to protect the fun of those people, it's banned, even at the cost of a substantial number of other people's fun. I was merely endeavouring to demonstrate that a card doesn't have to be a pro...

There is also the argument that RxPhantom has made on a number of these threads, this one probably included: if one of the arguments of banning Flash for cEDH is "well casuals don't even play it that much" there is a significant problem. RxPhantom has a number of fun anecdotes (not data, ...

Eh, 1v1 communities always create new banlist: 20 life, leviathan, centurion, wotc official ones... Yet for some reason cEDH players can't create their own banlist? Stop letting the RC do all the work for you and create another format. The only reason i can think for cEDH players to not do this is ...

If cards are only used in cEDH decks, even for the most degenerate purposes, we're not going to ban them. We talk a good deal about our core demographic, the people for whom the philosophy document does resonate, the audience we're trying to reach. We focus on what their games look like and how cer...

Even with the shortest route to drawing your deck, isn't that going to take some time to execute perfectly? In a competitive setting you could be forced to do that right? - discard dakmor, place draw trigger on the stack and dredge 2, then see if you either get a card or shuffle, then continue on (...

Pokken's got the right of it. You need to have drawn almost your entire library (which is the tedious, not-technically-short-cuttable part) before the combo becomes deterministic (ie, your library only has a land and a reshuffle effect left). The section of the rules that axed 4H says that if you r...

One fact that I think will really help illustrate how absurd Flash is: Depending on who you ask, there are either 4 or 5 meaningfully different, competitively viable Thrasios Tymna Flash Hulk Variants And when I say meaninfully different, I mean that you can't be confident you have shut them out wit...

There are lots of decks that can play flash hulk but THT is (probably?) the best, and that makes you ask why (despite neither one really interacting with the combo) - and if you take the best generic combo in the format away does it do enough to make enough other decks viable for a happy format? Fr...

First, let me say that Gitrog combos (with a discard outlet, cleanup is a discussion for another time) are not, in any way, shape or form, equivalent to Four Horsemen They are completely legal, even in tournament. The section of the rules that axed 4H says that if you reach an identical game state t...

I think the crux of the issue is that there are lots of players out there who love crushing casual games with high/max power decks, and if you put one of those people in a game with three casual decks at a LGS, they can and will ruin the game for everyone else. As Sheldon himself has said, the cEDH...