The point about it is if you get a half a million votes the odds of there being serious sampling error are pretty low. I doubt there are more than a couple million edh players in America. Obtaining half a million votes is not exactly easy, given /r/EDH only has 82,000 (even /r/magicTCG only has 330...

If you want to use the EDHRec data to fit anything to the new ban criteria I think that would largely be impossible. But the old ban criteria it was pretty useful :) This is the major sticking point for me. There are lots of ways we can use data to "confirm" things we already know, but if...

One other quick follow-up: Again, I'm not saying data can't be extremely useful, especially for us players. Simply pointing out that, considering the RC is constrained in time and resources, I really don't think this is the train to board. It's far more work just to reach conclusions that aren't any...

Conversations are a very risky thing to rely on. Lots of people are very good at creating convincing cases that may be overblown. I've personally created pretty convincing arguments I look back on and find questionable now. I'd rather have both lots of data and then make sure we have "conversa...

Do you think we could get the information in EDHrec through "conversation and open discussion?" My answer is no way. Not everybody wants to talk or is good at talking. The population that wants to talk about EDH is vastly smaller than the group that might submit a decklist to a random web...

I'd like to point out that WOTC estimates there are ~20 million MTG players worldwide. Meaning, even if you managed to get every single one of the 81,000 /r/EDH subscribers to use the form, you'd still be polling less than 0.5% of the playerbase. Considering the major sampling issues (i.e. the fact ...

From a banlist/rules perspective, I highly disagree with a heavy data-driven approach. Investing in this approach would be a big mistake given the lack of any reliable/accurate dataset or means of data collection. It would require a vast investment of effort just to gather data that is flawed from t...

@[mention]ev3rywhen[/mention] Great post - I agree with pretty much all of it. I only hesitate about creating a "power level" system, since the tiers would be difficult to establish, and most players aren't that accurate in their evaluation of power level. It also opens the door for lots o...

FWIW, I think it's very important to keep an ear to the ground at Reddit - quietly, if nothing else. Often your biggest enemy is also your most honest critic. If you can dig past the extreme hostility and hyperbole, there is usually some element of underlying truth (or at least, common opinion/persp...

I think this suggests that Flash isn't the problem... Hulk is. Even if Flash was banned, there are still plenty of ways to successfully use Hulk combos in the format. If Hulk was banned, Flash would be largely irrelevant. Hulk as a win condition is fine. Plenty of win conditions in the format end t...

Everyone stop this ridiculous arguing about whether or not you like CEDH. We each play this format and are entitled to give our opinions on the games we like to play. The point of this thread is to provide that feedback based on our own games and experiences on how the RC can best guide the format t...

It would probably be more productive to petition the competitive minded Duel Commander offshoot, who split because of exactly this continuing debate, to consider multiplayer in their decisions than it would be to try and get traditional Commander to be what the first wave of competitive dissidents ...

Oh you don't hate us, you just have a hope NOBODY EVER LISTENS TO US OR CONSIDERS OUR PERSPECTIVE. Got it. Thank you so much. Yes that is comforting to hear. Am I taking crazy pills or is this type of toxicity just... wildly unacceptable at all levels. cEDH players ARE EDH PLAYERS. I don't know why...

I don't mean to say people are lying but that the rosy view they present is exceptional and more rare in paper than the generic claim of "cedh players just want to race t1 cars." Suggests. I believe some people really want that. But I also believe most of them are practicing a degree of s...

When I say that we're not demonizing combo, what I'm talking about we don't have any problem with combos as a normal part of mid- to late-game progression. What creates an unhealthy format is the devolution into everyone racing to it because some people are doing it and they just want to keep up. T...

@[mention]pokken[/mention]: Please keep in mind that CEDH is NOT the same as pubstomping. The purpose of Formula 1 isn't to race F1 cars against Honda Civics. F1 cars race other F1 cars, where the competition is fair, balanced, and fun for everyone. Likewise, everyone has fun when Civics race agains...

Good point. I don't know of any instant speed "Target Player draws a card" so that you can complete the mill out though. There are many with varying costs and tradeoffs. To name a few: Mikokoro, Center of the Sea , Geier Reach Sanitarium , Words of Wisdom , Standstill (break it yourself),...

Hi Sheldon, as an EDH player of 10+ years (and one who has maintained decks at all power levels including CEDH) I'll offer a few suggestions: - Ignore the toxic CEDH voices. They misrepresent a community that is in reality incredibly supportive, welcoming, and fun to be a part of. Unfortunately the ...

Eldrazi do not completely invalidate Grindstone combos. You will mill the entire library before the shuffle effect resolves, which you can then respond to with instants and abilities (force an opponent to draw a card before shuffle resolves). It needs to be built around, but means that Grindstone is...