I was looking for this old primer on old mtgsalvation, glad to see its back here and updated on Nexus. Reason I was looking for it was some inspiration for a possible Zirda, the Dawnwaker Rebel deck. Either with Zirda at the helm or as a companion with some other boros commander at the helm. I figur...

I suppose even at its worst case its kind of a free Explore (since untapping your lands pretty much makes it such.) So maybe a better question might be, at what point are they no longer good? If Time Warp and equivalent cards ( Capture of Jingzhou and Temporal Manipulation ) are great cards, what ab...

This might be a controversal subject, but hear me out. Are cards like Time Warp secretly traps? Getting another untap step is moot if you spend 5 mana to do it in the first place, so you either need to have a bunch of mana to cast other spells or somehow reduce the cost of said Time warp to get any ...

Sounds good, consensus is it's not good enough.

Thanks all

For reference Disrupt

If you view this as a 1 mana cantrip that taxes mana and sometimes "gets" people with their pants down, it seems pretty good.

Drawback is someone has to cast an instant or sorcery just so you can cantrip.

Do people see this card as worth it?

For reference: Dress Down

Cancels important Creature ETB's or Dies triggers (sometimes), can stop creature based combos, can screw up combat sometimes. All While replacing itself.

Another way to cheat Phyrexian Dreadnought

Is this card secretly really good?

White does a have a Reclamation Sage you guys. It just costs two extra, you know, practically nothing. Plus, such a good boy! EDIT: opponent controls?! It's already five mana! They couldn't let us do shenanigans with it?! Anyway, I've been liking Forsake the Worldly the worldly these days, too. I w...

For example, this is what I cut down to in White for my collection (I changed it to 180 cards.) Pretty much all the cards I'd play plus a few extra.

https://scryfall.com/@WhiskeyBepis/deck ... a0713ce5b6

EDIT: Also, no Legendary creatures here, that's for a different Section.

Super Powerful sweeper for aristocrat type decks that I forgot to mention is False Prophet, since the abundance of free sac outlets can make this an instant speed exiling effect.

Considering most modal creatures use instants and sorceries as their other mode, I'd probably go with Extus, as not only does he trigger off adventures and instant/sorcery modes, but he can also recur "instants and sorceries" by returning creatures to your hand.

I won a Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest deck. Its fairly typical with not much spice. Ive been thinking about adding a Sunforger . I think maintaining th same shell wouldnt be awesome. Do I add counterspells that wouldnt be great in other situations? Render Silent absorb and so on. I think my question ...

Generous Gift is my favorite of these, naturally. I'd run 10 copies of it over almost all other removal (actually in truth, I'd do a 5-5 split on Gifts and Swords to Plowshares as my removal base if allowed). From there, I think my most-played "enchantment removal" effects are Forsake the...

Another wipe I'm a fan of, and I know this may be getting into "pet card" territory, is Angel of the Dire Hour . Obviously it doesn't hurt non-aggro strategies much, but it can be a pretty crippling card at the right time. Sunblast Angel is another fun one. It may not be always optimal bu...

I will reiterate the comments on Unexpectedly Absent and Palace Jailer . I also like Cast Out not just in cycling decks but more so decks that tend to play at instant speed. When you expect to be keeping that much mana up it can be really great at disrupting some sort of comboish thing when you nee...

Nowhere in Pokken's description did they talk about it like a weird evasion finisher? Especially when they're explicitly using it more than once? I think you're vastly overestimating the drawback of ramp. Most multicolored decks have a limited number of basics to fetch in the first place, and prett...

Another wipe I'm a fan of, and I know this may be getting into "pet card" territory, is Angel of the Dire Hour . Obviously it doesn't hurt non-aggro strategies much, but it can be a pretty crippling card at the right time. Sunblast Angel is another fun one. It may not be always optimal bu...

I love this forum because I never would have considered Wrath of God to be anything other than an all-star card. I was going to pipe in that I would put Doomskar a bit lower than WoG, unless you have synergies with foretelling - like you play a lot of wheels or Mindslicer or something. I would not ...

Something interesting I just read. Out of Time can permanently remove creatures and even commanders in combination with Opalescence or Starfield of Nyx since phasing dosen't move commanders to another zone and Out of time phases itself out and therefore can no longer be interacted with. Seems evil, ...

What do people think of the new toy that is Out of Time? For all intents and purposes, this is a wrath. Is it good enough in say an enchantress deck that get triggers off of it and can recur it?

Generous Gift is my favorite of these, naturally. I'd run 10 copies of it over almost all other removal (actually in truth, I'd do a 5-5 split on Gifts and Swords to Plowshares as my removal base if allowed). From there, I think my most-played "enchantment removal" effects are Forsake the...

So, I think I've gotten some good takeaways from the discussion, in terms of deck building philosophy 1) Sweepers are worth playing when they have some extra utility over Wrath of God or if they can be cast at instant speed even if they cost a bit more mana. 2) Outside of that look for sweepers that...

War Priest of Thune is solid for a human tribal, cleric tribal, or aristocrat deck. He's solid with Winota, Joiner of Forces or if you have Ravos, Soultender and a sacrifice outlet you can play him every turn. Leonin Relic-Warder is even better for that satiation. There are actually so many clerics...

I've played a ton of leonin relic warder and skyclave apparition works too. It blows my mind that white doesn't have a reclamation sage I like Leonin Relic-Warder since it also doubles as a combo piece. Forgot to add Skyclave Apparition , since we've pretty much established its a good card :) Ditto...

Almost forgot about Bounty Agent, worse case you can always knock-out a commander, seems decent if you care about bodies.

So as my other threads on white sweepers and creature spot removal, I'd like to discuss Artifact/Enchantment specific removal. Here' some Artifact/Enchantment removal I tend to like, let me know if any of them are actually traps or if there is anything else that's good that I'm missing. Abolish - Ca...