How do I make Ramses work?
Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2022 9:06 pm
So I'm making a thread cause based on previous discussion and experience, people don't read decklist threads. The context for my question is my 5c altwincon tribal deck, which is now sitting pretty at 22 wincons with the release of Ramses, Assassin Lord, and is outlined in extreme detail in my primer here: viewtopic.php?f=35&t=311. I've cut Fae Offering for it at the moment, but haven't updated the decklist at time of writing.
My problem is, this is not a deck that traditionally heads into the red zone. A lot of the creatures are not great and are needed to support a wincon, so I don't really want to risk them a lot of the time, so I'm not really reducing life totals myself. With this in mind, I'm currently looking at ways to get Ramses to actually work. My thoughts so far:
A source of unblockability (Rogue's Passage is the front runner) and a loss condition such as Door to Nothingness. Simple, effective, but the Door specifically is a hell of a removal magnet, I'm more likely to use one of either Vraska the Unseen or Vraska, Golgari Queen. I like the idea of Golgari Queen more, because then I can swap out Arcane Adaptation for Maskwood Nexus and any of my creatures can then get me the win, but the tokens from Vraska the Unseen would also do the trick. Does admittedly take a bit longer to get going, but they also provide card advantage and possible removal while getting there. In a similar vein there's Nicol Bolas, Dragon-God, but that might be even more of a removal magnet and also what are the odds of someone not having a legendary out?
I've not really started thinking about cuts yet, but Mycosynth Lattice is likely on the chopping block, I chuck out so much Treasure now it solves my mana and my artifact count quite nicely. Also the Lattice nonbos with a few bits here and there and can make some lines very awkward.
Any thoughts/suggestions are greatly appreciated, but please bear in mind I can't get away with many support cards as I'm running out of cuts, so anything more than three additional cards will be discounted unless it also supports multiple other wincons. One of the reasons I'm thinking planeswalkers is that it gives a little bit of redundancy to Happily Ever After
Dragonlover
My problem is, this is not a deck that traditionally heads into the red zone. A lot of the creatures are not great and are needed to support a wincon, so I don't really want to risk them a lot of the time, so I'm not really reducing life totals myself. With this in mind, I'm currently looking at ways to get Ramses to actually work. My thoughts so far:
A source of unblockability (Rogue's Passage is the front runner) and a loss condition such as Door to Nothingness. Simple, effective, but the Door specifically is a hell of a removal magnet, I'm more likely to use one of either Vraska the Unseen or Vraska, Golgari Queen. I like the idea of Golgari Queen more, because then I can swap out Arcane Adaptation for Maskwood Nexus and any of my creatures can then get me the win, but the tokens from Vraska the Unseen would also do the trick. Does admittedly take a bit longer to get going, but they also provide card advantage and possible removal while getting there. In a similar vein there's Nicol Bolas, Dragon-God, but that might be even more of a removal magnet and also what are the odds of someone not having a legendary out?
I've not really started thinking about cuts yet, but Mycosynth Lattice is likely on the chopping block, I chuck out so much Treasure now it solves my mana and my artifact count quite nicely. Also the Lattice nonbos with a few bits here and there and can make some lines very awkward.
Any thoughts/suggestions are greatly appreciated, but please bear in mind I can't get away with many support cards as I'm running out of cuts, so anything more than three additional cards will be discounted unless it also supports multiple other wincons. One of the reasons I'm thinking planeswalkers is that it gives a little bit of redundancy to Happily Ever After
Dragonlover