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Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Treasure Keeper
Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:41 pm
by hyalopterouslemur
Card advantage is always nice on a
Hill Giant body.
Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Treasure Keeper
Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:50 pm
by SocorroTortoise
One of many cards that I'd be all about if it cost one less. Not impactful enough at the 4 CMC slot for my taste.
Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Treasure Keeper
Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:20 pm
by Mookie
Cascade is one of my favorite mechanics, so I was pretty happy when
Treasure Keeper was printed. As for the card itself... it has a bit too vanilla of a body to justify running most of the time. Could be good in a deck like
Meren of Clan Nel Toth or
Glissa, the Traitor though - recur it every turn to generate more value. Given that you're getting a free spell out of it, paying four mana isn't that expensive, assuming you get enough value from whatever you're sacrificing it to.
Interesting to compare with
Matter Reshaper, who does a similar task.
Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Treasure Keeper
Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:10 am
by BOVINE
I run Matter Reshaper over Mr. Keeper in Meren. Reshaper gives you the choice to put the card into your hand and costs less. In Meren, Reshaper also comes back earlier and it can be recurred with
Unearth and
Cavalier of Night. It also ramps — Keeper does not
Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Invocation of Saint Traft
Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:04 am
by 3drinks
Saturday, September 14th, 2019;
Invocation of Saint Traft
#BuildYourOwnGeist
Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Invocation of Saint Traft
Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:25 pm
by Mookie
Invocation of Saint Traft is.... pretty underwhelming. Most auras I see played are part of a voltron strategy, for a commander like
Rafiq of the Many or
Tuvasa the Sunlit. However, Invocation doesn't help that strategy, since it doesn't provide any keywords, protection, power boost, evasion... or anything else, really. It just gives you a 4/4 when your creature attacks, which is.... pretty underwhelming, as things go.
It might have some use if you really care about ETB triggers, are running Populate cards, or have a sacrifice outlet for the tokens. However, I think I would usually favor a different token producer over Invocation. It is a fairly efficient from a size-to-cost ratio, but the token not sticking around makes it pretty underwhelming. I'd recommend
Moonsilver Spear if you really want repeatable Angel token generation.
Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Invocation of Saint Traft
Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:55 pm
by hyalopterouslemur
A 4/4 flying token is admittedly nice because proliferate, and something you can put on
Invisible Stalker, but generally not as good as most of the swords you could use here instead. (You can still use
Sword of Feast and Famine and
Sword of Blood and Sinew. The one sword that might be a problem is
Sword of Body and Mind, which should only be played if you already have an active
Bloodchief Ascension or something like
Leyline of the Void, or you're playing reanimator yourself.)
Even for a 4/4 flying token,
Divine Visitation is just better all around: It costs more, sure, but you can use it pretty much immediately, and it goes in more decks, including decks where you're already making a lot of tokens.
Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Invocation of Saint Traft
Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:59 pm
by Legend
If enchanted creature has hexproof, it would be a great Aura and true to its origins.
Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Invocation of Saint Traft
Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:38 pm
by 3drinks
Wut? How exactly are you proliferating a token? That's not uhh...that's not how this works.
Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Invocation of Saint Traft
Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:39 pm
by Serenade
Probably meant populate.
Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Invocation of Saint Traft
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:22 am
by 3drinks
Serenade wrote: ↑4 years ago
Probably meant populate.
Oh, right. Duh, haha.
Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Invocation of Saint Traft
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:02 am
by Rumpy5897
Fun fact, I've made the same slip-up enough times that my
Ghired is named
proliferate.cod on Cockatrice
That said, the card's cute and all, but ultimately not super useful in EDH land. I've seen a guy slinging
Moonsilver Spear in
Aurelia, not sure if it's still there or not given the existence of
Flying Anvil or not.
Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Well of Lost Dreams
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:45 am
by 3drinks
Sunday, September 15th, 2019;
Well of Lost Dreams
Probably the best life gain payoff card ever.
Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Well of Lost Dreams
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:52 am
by tstorm823
Ultimate combo piece with
Pristine Talisman.
Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Well of Lost Dreams
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 5:04 pm
by Mookie
Well of Lost Dreams is one of the best draw engines available for a lifegain-focused deck. A 1:1 ratio of mana:cards is really efficient, and pretty much always worth paying. Lifegain is also an action that you will usually have a lot of control over, which can make it more convenient than holding open mana for
Mind's Eye.
I would have said that one of the downsides of building your deck around Well is that you only get one copy of it, but we have a second(ish) version in
Dawn of Hope now. And that is ignoring all of the use-life-as-a-resource cards, like
Necropotence and
Ad Nauseam.
Also: works well with
Words of Worship. There are lots of other ways to gain life too though.
Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Well of Lost Dreams
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 5:15 pm
by hyalopterouslemur
Ridiculous if you know what you're doing. With a Mirrodin lucky charm, this becomes "All COLOR spells have kicker 1 and "If this spell was kicked, draw a card.""
Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Well of Lost Dreams
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:49 am
by umtiger
3drinks wrote: ↑4 years ago
Probably the best life gain payoff card ever.
No, that goes to Aetherflux Reservoir.
I still like Well of Lost Dreams though.
Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Well of Lost Dreams
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:17 pm
by Sinis
3drinks wrote: ↑4 years ago
Sunday, September 15th, 2019; Well of Lost Dreams
Remains pretty great for lifegain, but that 4-mana buy-in is so hefty. I can't complain, though; it definitely pays for itself in fairly short order.
Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Well of Lost Dreams
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:42 pm
by Toshi
The first card that came to mind when i put together my
Kambal, Consul of Allocation life gain/drain deck.
I've had games where people started killing
Soul Warden and
Soul's Attendant ASAP just because they couldn't deal with an artifact at the time. That's just how good the card is when left alone. I once got to untap with it and
Venser's Journal. Good times.
Plus, it's very rewarding to draw cards off
Glimmerpost,
Kabira Crossroads,
Radiant Fountain,
Scoured Barrens and
Seraph Sanctuary.
Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Well of Lost Dreams
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:38 pm
by 3drinks
Monday, September 16th, 2019;
Temporary Truce
Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Temporary Truce
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:43 pm
by lyonhaert
Yeah, I'm taking the two cards every time. But also "holy terse rules text, batman" - my brain needed to read that an extra couple of times.
Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Temporary Truce
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:45 pm
by Rumpy5897
I wonder if anybody in the history of the game ever took the life. On the other hand, once upon a time a particularly weird
Fact or Fiction had me 5-0 a guy, which was somehow optimal, and them he binned the five, which was also optimal. Stranger things have happened.
That said, not playing this anywhere. Without checking EDHREC, I'm willing to bet Hippo's the most common commander for this.
Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Temporary Truce
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:48 pm
by Hermes_
run with
mind's eye
Rumpy5897 wrote: ↑4 years ago
That said, not playing this anywhere. Without checking EDHREC, I'm willing to bet Hippo's the most common commander for this.
Hippo followed by kynaios and Tiro of Meletis and lastly, Selvala, Explorer Returned
Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Temporary Truce
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:34 pm
by 3drinks
Hermes_ wrote: ↑4 years ago
run with
mind's eye
Rumpy5897 wrote: ↑4 years ago
That said, not playing this anywhere. Without checking EDHREC, I'm willing to bet Hippo's the most common commander for this.
Hippo followed by kynaios and Tiro of Meletis and lastly, Selvala, Explorer Returned
Similarly, I guess in any deck with Con Sphinx.
edit: Actually, we're all wrong. It appears most often in Elesh Norn............
Weird.
Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Temporary Truce
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:23 pm
by SocorroTortoise
3drinks wrote: ↑4 years ago
Similarly, I guess in any deck with Con Sphinx.
edit: Actually, we're all wrong. It appears most often in Elesh Norn............
Weird.
It's in 1 Elesh Norn list and 29 Phelddagrif lists on that site, so I'm not sure where you're getting that. Hermes_ listed out the top 3.
I don't think white is so hard up for card draw that this is an actual good option. I'd relegate it to niche lists where you're both trying to get your opponents to draw cards (though it doesn't force the draw, so it's not even particularly good at that) and you're in white, which probably cuts the potential list down to almost nothing.