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[THB] Enigmatic Incarnation (Andrew Cuneo)
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:53 pm
by Rumpy5897
Awesome, what a cool design. Doesn't hurt it's a ridiculous card for
Ice Cream Monk. Sacrifice
Awesome Presence to dredge up
Argothian Enchantress? Where do I sign?
Re: [THB] Enigmatic Incarnation (Andrew Cuneo)
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:58 pm
by Serenade
Yeah, I'm a big fan of this card. Always looking for ways to sac enchantments, and luckily this is a "may" ability!
Re: [THB] Enigmatic Incarnation (Andrew Cuneo)
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 5:08 pm
by pokken
Very cool design. Get me some
hatching plans into
renegade rallier.
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Re: [THB] Enigmatic Incarnation (Andrew Cuneo)
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 5:14 pm
by pierreb
This could snowball fast. There are some powerful high-cost nasty enchantments out there.
Re: [THB] Enigmatic Incarnation (Andrew Cuneo)
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 5:18 pm
by Wallycaine
pierreb wrote: ↑4 years ago
This could snowball fast. There are some powerful high-cost nasty enchantments out there.
Note that it fetches creatures, not enchantments. So the only way to "chain" up is enchantment creatures.
Re: [THB] Enigmatic Incarnation (Andrew Cuneo)
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 5:21 pm
by Cyberium
Glad I'm not the only naughty mind here.
Re: [THB] Enigmatic Incarnation (Andrew Cuneo)
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 5:24 pm
by pokken
There aren't that many effects that reanimate enchantments, but any 2-drop into
heliod's pilgrim +
pattern of rebirth could be a pretty powerful setup too. Lots of fun angles. This card is a real design challenge, nicely done I think,
Re: [THB] Enigmatic Incarnation (Andrew Cuneo)
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 5:26 pm
by Cyberium
Also, you can sacrifice an enchantment to search for an enchantment creature, allow you to continue easier.
Re: [THB] Enigmatic Incarnation (Andrew Cuneo)
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 5:43 pm
by pokken
Cyberium wrote: ↑4 years ago
Also, you can sacrifice an enchantment to search for an enchantment creature, allow you to continue easier.
Yeah, I think one of the best early lines is going to be searching for
eidolon of rhetoric since it'll slow them down and let you get a 4-drop later if needed.
Re: [THB] Enigmatic Incarnation (Andrew Cuneo)
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:10 pm
by darrenhabib
There are enchantments that return to hand when they go to the graveyard. I think these will be one of the best ways to get continuous value from
Enigmatic Incarnation.
Simic;
Rancor,
Spreading Algae,
Aspect of Mongoose,
Launch,
Fortitude,
Slow Motion,
Fool's Demise.
Non-Simic:
Fiery Mantle,
Fallen Ideal,
Cessation,
Brilliant Halo,
Sluggishness,
Undying Rage,
Spirit Loop,
Gryff's Boon.
For example you could use
Aspect of Mongoose,
Launch or
Fortitude to keep getting the 3 converted mana cost enchantresses;
Mesa Enchantress,
Verduran Enchantress,
Satyr Enchanter.
Tuvasa the Sunlit.
Rancor or
Spreading Algae can get
Argothian Enchantress and
Femeref Enchantress.
Hanna, Ship's Navigator and
Starfield of Nyx for getting continuous enchantment fodder.
Induced Amnesia is a nice removal target.
Re: [THB] Enigmatic Incarnation (Andrew Cuneo)
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:45 pm
by Drusus
So its a
birthing pod but it needs enchantments to work, neat.
Re: [THB] Enigmatic Incarnation (Andrew Cuneo)
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:11 pm
by darrenhabib
Actually from theory-crafting trying to see what is possible, it became very apparent to me that it's nothing like
Birthing Pod or
Prime Speaker Vannifar when it comes to actually using across multiple turns.
You can't keep getting higher and higher converted mana costs, unless it's specifically "enchantment creatures" that you are searching for.
Because it's enchantment into a creature as well, you are also limited by targets. Meaning that you have to physically have an enchantment each time you want to use it. That means using a resource that you would natural have to get each turn. It might be that you only get one use out of it the entire game even though it's in play for the game.
Because of the nature of
Birthing Pod getting a creature, you always had another target to use next turn. That is guaranteed use each turn.
It's still a cool card, but don't expect to get
continuous and greater value each turn, which is what
Birthing Pod/
Prime Speaker Vannifar main advantages are.