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Rowan and Additional Costs
Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2023 8:44 pm
by pzbw7z
I've heard that
Rowan, Scion of War's ability can pay for Buyback for spells such as
Reiterate, Is this true and can it also pay for Kicker costs and Multikicker costs such as that of
Comet Storm?
Re: Rowan and Additional Costs
Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2023 8:55 pm
by void_nothing
Yes - "
X less to cast" effects include additional mana spent to cast spells beyond their mana costs. Kicker, multikicker, and buyback are all examples of additional costs that can include mana, so if you've lost 4 life in a turn, you can activate Rowan to make
Reiterate with buyback cost
RR and
Scourge of the Skyclaves with kicker cost
1BB, for example.
In the case of
Comet Storm, you would choose how much to pay for
X and how many times to pay the multikicker cost however you like, but those costs don't get reduced individually - If you had still lost 4 life, activate Rowan, and you had
RRRR to spend, you effectively have six mana to allocate between the
X and the multikicker.
Re: Rowan and Additional Costs
Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2023 2:14 pm
by pzbw7z
void_nothing wrote: ↑7 months ago
Yes - "
X less to cast" effects include additional mana spent to cast spells beyond their mana costs. Kicker, multikicker, and buyback are all examples of additional costs that can include mana, so if you've lost 4 life in a turn, you can activate Rowan to make
Reiterate with buyback cost
RR and
Scourge of the Skyclaves with kicker cost
1BB, for example.
In the case of
Comet Storm, you would choose how much to pay for
X and how many times to pay the multikicker cost however you like, but those costs don't get reduced individually - If you had still lost 4 life, activate Rowan, and you had
RRRR to spend, you effectively have six mana to allocate between the
X and the multikicker.
Thanks very much. I thought that was how it worked; additional costs but not alternate costs. I just didn't put 2 and 2 together I guess.
Re: Rowan and Additional Costs
Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2023 2:24 pm
by void_nothing
Actually, alternate costs are still covered by Rowan's ability as long as they include generic mana - any mechanic that allows you to cast a spell for a different cost than normal works with cost reduction effects in general. (After all, you're still casting and usually still paying mana.) So staying with the example of losing 4 life and then activating Rowan, you could pay
3B rather than pay
Increasing Ambition's flashback cost or
R rather than pay
Vandalblast's overload cost.