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Custom Partners
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:22 am
by Legend
A Magic buddy of mine partnered
The Scorpion God with
Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons, which I thought was very creative. He said Hipatra facilitated early game aggro and Scarab took over the mid-late game. Sounds like a potential Commander variant.
What dynamic duo would you partner together?
I've really been digging my monoblack infect deck lately and love the early game punch of Skittles followed up by the late game card draw and proliferation grind of Yawgy.
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Re: Custom Partners
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:04 am
by pokken
Re: Custom Partners
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:35 am
by Dunharrow
While this sounds fun, it is just so degenerate when people build to win. Gitrog Monster and Omnath, Locus of rage sound fun. But
xenagos, god of revels and
Atarka, World Render is a one shot kill from the Command zone. Literally the rest of the deck can be ramp and things to make Atarka hexproof.
This is also why I don't like Oathbreaker. When you have 2 cards all the time, it pushes people towards broken interactions way more.
Re: Custom Partners
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:51 am
by darrenhabib
I started a similar post on mtgsalvation back when the mechanic came out.
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the ... -exisiting
Re: Custom Partners
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 5:18 am
by Sinis
Re: Custom Partners
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 6:41 am
by BounceBurnBuff
100% consistency of K'rrik into Vilis sounds horrible.
Re: Custom Partners
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 6:49 am
by NZB2323
Re: Custom Partners
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:43 am
by Vessiliana
Well, really the only custom partner pair I'd like to see is
Bruna, the Fading Light and
Gisela, the Broken Blade because they really
ought to be usable as partners.
Re: Custom Partners
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:12 pm
by darrenhabib
Re: Custom Partners
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:02 pm
by Dunharrow
Strongly disagree. You pretty much win the game when you cast Bruna.
Re: Custom Partners
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:12 pm
by Sinis
Dunharrow wrote: ↑4 years ago
Strongly disagree. You pretty much win the game when you cast Bruna.
I've found Brisela to be less auto-win than you'd think. IME, people usually have fewer answers for
Avacyn, Angel of Hope.
Re: Custom Partners
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 6:54 pm
by Gashnaw
My friends at my lgs and I were gonna do something similar, but both "partners" had to be of the same entity.
For example, I was running
wort, boggart auntie and
wort the raidmother
Re: Custom Partners
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:46 pm
by toctheyounger
Sinis wrote: ↑4 years ago
Dunharrow wrote: ↑4 years ago
Strongly disagree. You pretty much win the game when you cast Bruna.
I've found Brisela to be less auto-win than you'd think. IME, people usually have fewer answers for
Avacyn, Angel of Hope.
Yep, Brisela is no insta-win. She's a strong control piece, and CAN win games, but there are plenty of ways to answer her. That being said I still agree that these two don't need to be partners. There's enough pretty easy tricks to meld these two in
without having them both in the command zone, it's just not really required.
Re: Custom Partners
Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:03 am
by Dunharrow
Sinis wrote: ↑4 years ago
Dunharrow wrote: ↑4 years ago
Strongly disagree. You pretty much win the game when you cast Bruna.
I've found Brisela to be less auto-win than you'd think. IME, people usually have fewer answers for
Avacyn, Angel of Hope.
Somehow I have trouble believing that. Brisela is better against spot removal and weaker to sweepers when compared to Avacyn. But Brisela also stop people from playing magic. Avacyn is oppressive in conjunction with other spells, but Brisela is just unfun for everyone by itself. There are a lot of answers to Avacyn. You can
Fog Bank Avacyn. you can O-Ring Avacyn. There are bounce spells and exiling spells. There are Pacifism variants. You can chump block. You can Imprison Avacyn on the Moon (though the flavour judge will have a few words).
Brisela turns off all interactions - spot removal and stops you from playing cards that can at least chump. Brisela just dies to wraths, because few people are playing spot removal spells that cost 4+ mana.
I am not saying Avacyn is a fun general. I am just saying that it is easier to deal with. Let's just say it has been a long time since
Stingerfling Spider had a spot in any of my decks.
Re: Custom Partners
Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:18 am
by toctheyounger
Dunharrow wrote: ↑4 years ago
Sinis wrote: ↑4 years ago
Dunharrow wrote: ↑4 years ago
Strongly disagree. You pretty much win the game when you cast Bruna.
I've found Brisela to be less auto-win than you'd think. IME, people usually have fewer answers for
Avacyn, Angel of Hope.
Somehow I have trouble believing that. Brisela is better against spot removal and weaker to sweepers when compared to Avacyn. But Brisela also stop people from playing magic. Avacyn is oppressive in conjunction with other spells, but Brisela is just unfun for everyone by itself. There are a lot of answers to Avacyn. You can
Fog Bank Avacyn. you can O-Ring Avacyn. There are bounce spells and exiling spells. There are Pacifism variants. You can chump block. You can Imprison Avacyn on the Moon (though the flavour judge will have a few words).
Brisela turns off all interactions - spot removal and stops you from playing cards that can at least chump. Brisela just dies to wraths, because few people are playing spot removal spells that cost 4+ mana.
I am not saying Avacyn is a fun general. I am just saying that it is easier to deal with. Let's just say it has been a long time since
Stingerfling Spider had a spot in any of my decks.
[mention]Sinis[/mention] and I both run Bruna decks, so we know that the be all and end all of the deck is definitely not to just meld any chance you get.
Brisela IS good, no doubt. But she's far from bulletproof, in the way that Avacyn tends to be. There's definitely scenarios where she will lock out the game. Against a storm/cantrip deck or elfball/goblins, sure. But otherwise, she's not actually all that resilient of a control piece. Ultimately, in my experience, while people do play things like
Go for the Throat and
Anguished Unmaking, sweepers are far more prevalent, and she doesn't turn those off, aside from a select few. It sort of forces a scenario where you need to decide whether Brisela is worth wiping with the rest of the board. But show me a deck that doesn't run wipes and I'll show you a deck that doesn't belong in this format.
Mostly my win cons in the deck are outlasting the table and swinging with superior creatures, but speaking honestly, Brisela is a game condition I actually don't pursue often - there's even times you make the meld and.....nothing about the game chances except you now have a bigger beater instead of 2 smaller ones. So yeah, some scenarios she's a devastating lock, but she's not even close to the sort of resilience that Avacyn brings.
Re: Custom Partners
Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:03 am
by Sinis
Dunharrow wrote: ↑4 years ago
Sinis wrote: ↑4 years ago
I've found Brisela to be less auto-win than you'd think. IME, people usually have fewer answers for
Avacyn, Angel of Hope.
Somehow I have trouble believing that. Brisela is better against spot removal and weaker to sweepers when compared to Avacyn. But Brisela also stop people from playing magic. Avacyn is oppressive in conjunction with other spells, but Brisela is just unfun for everyone by itself. There are a lot of answers to Avacyn. You can
Fog Bank Avacyn. you can O-Ring Avacyn. There are bounce spells and exiling spells. There are Pacifism variants. You can chump block. You can Imprison Avacyn on the Moon (though the flavour judge will have a few words).
Brisela turns off all interactions - spot removal and stops you from playing cards that can at least chump. Brisela just dies to wraths, because few people are playing spot removal spells that cost 4+ mana.
I am not saying Avacyn is a fun general. I am just saying that it is easier to deal with. Let's just say it has been a long time since
Stingerfling Spider had a spot in any of my decks.
I'll go through, piece by piece.
1. It's true that Brisela is weaker to sweepers, but I wouldn't say Avacyn is weaker to spot removal by a significant margin. Avacyn is weaker to Swords to Plowshares, Path to Exile and Chaos Warp. IME, other 'premium' sorts of removal you might see would hit Avacyn or Brisela equally (like some edicts, or weird fringe stuff like
Silence the Believers). Also, I think the ugly truth is that people play more sweepers that will deal with Brisela than they do spot removal (or sweepers) that will deal with Avacyn.
2. Brisela stands tall on her own, but Avacyn makes every card you're playing with so much worse. Every creature is a near unconquerable blocker. Lightning Greaves make dealing with Avacyn a very tall order. Something tremendously hindering like
Aura of Silence or
Magus of the Moat become completely inviolate hurdles. Every board wipe in your own arsenal is one-sided and utterly ridiculous. The point here is that Brisela, formidable as she is, will only carry you so far as a 9/10 flying, first strike, vigilance, lifelink, play-only-4-mana-or-higher-spells creature will take you (and, believe me, it's surprisingly not far). Every other card you play with Brisela is as-written. With Avacyn it is not so, and they are almost always much, much better when your permanents are indestructible.
3. You can't
really do all those things to Avacyn in practical gameplay scenarios. Yes, things like O-Ring are technically possible in a vacuum, but I find games rarely actually play out that way. There are sometimes Greaves. There is sometimes a Mother of Runes. Sometimes it's a
High Market and an
Angelic Renewal. Fog back also isn't really an answer; there are other creatures, and they (and boots, and mom) are every bit as inviolate as Avacyn, and if you can't answer Avacyn, you probably won't have enough Fog Banks for every creature I have. It's really hard to stress what an uphill battle it is to deal with a bunch of commonly played protection effects when they are
also indestructible.
Re: Custom Partners
Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:02 am
by Crazy Monkey
I have a couple of decks that play a placeholder commander with my real commanders in the deck and enough tutors to assemble them. Specifically, I still have a prosh deck that's really
the Gitrog monster and
borborygmos enraged in a deck for noninfinite land chucking. I think that it is a bit too good of a combo to take up my group's offer and just put them in the command zone, but Hapatra + scorpion God is a more reasonable power level.
I have briefly looked at Uril the miststalker and Narset for aura shenanigans, before that deck was Genju of the Realm. There was some other theorycrafting, but it's been a couple of years.
Overall, it can be interesting theory crafting, but there are a lot of powerful/overpowered partner options if allowed without group review or approval.
Re: Custom Partners
Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:56 pm
by Feyd_Ruin
No holds bar?
I'd want
Braids, Cabal Minion with
Rhys the Redeemed
But then again, if I could play Braids, I'd just play braids :rofl:
More realistically?
Having
Ghave, Guru of Spores with
Vorel of the Hull Clade would be a great way to have a GWUB dice factory deck that isn't just another Atraxa. With pairing, you could easily change up the colors Vorel and
Reyhan, Last of the Abzan for just GUB.
Grumgully, the Generous with either Reyhan or Ghave would be red fun, although I suspect the latter pair would be too degenerate.
Re: Custom Partners
Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:39 pm
by Legend
Cool/funny, the first duo that popped into my mind was
Braids, Cabal Minion with
Endrek Sahr, Master Breeder, but I didn't want to kick off the thread with a banned card.
Re: Custom Partners
Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:43 am
by pokken
I would absolutely love to play ephara plus sidisi brood tyrant. Literally everything I could ever want in a deck right there.
Re: Custom Partners
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:43 am
by kraus911
My friend made a partner rule for his cube, house-ruling that all two color generals can be partnered, and it's been a lot of fun. Of course the degenerate stuff can be controlled in an EDH cube. The only problem was
Raff Capashen, Ship's Mage because it gave any general flash.
Re: Custom Partners
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:19 pm
by Sinis
kraus911 wrote: ↑4 years ago
The only problem was Raff Capashen, Ship's Mage because it gave any general flash.
Oh man, I would want to partner
Raff Capashen, Ship's Mage and
Rona, Disciple of Gix so hard.
Re: Custom Partners
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:11 pm
by bobthefunny
The only acceptable answer to this question is
Brothers Yamazaki with
Brothers Yamazaki|23548.
Re: Custom Partners
Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:50 am
by ilovesaprolings
You can do that with any other sibling in mtg's lore
So only Savra+Jarad and Jeska+Kamahl XD
Re: Custom Partners
Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:50 am
by Myllior
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight seems a pretty great one to pair up via partner. My first thought was to pair her with
Heartless Hidetsugu so you've got a two card combo in the command zone (just checked and saw this one's also in the thread darrenhabib linked), and my second was to pair her with
Ruric Thar, the Unbowed to turn "Take 6" into "Take 12", while you're only at "Take 3". (Add a
Cindervines to get this up to "Take 14").