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Re: New Format Pioneer
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:57 am
by CommanderMaster999
I feel like mystery boosters might be somewhat of a master set for this new format (reprints anyway)
Re: New Format Pioneer
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 3:35 am
by Mookie
The N82O Molecule wrote: ↑4 years ago
and hey guess what? they basically gave you a 100$+ coupon by banning those lands.
I will point out that banning fetchlands won't instantly make decks cheaper - it's possible that the prices of other lands (shocklands, checklands, fastlands) will rise if the format takes off. On the other hand, all of the other viable options have significantly higher supplies than the fetchlands, which will mitigate things significantly. It's not a coincidence that the ZEN enemy fetches are the most expensive - Khans allied fetches have much higher circulation.
Re: New Format Pioneer
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:15 pm
by Judge Irenicus
Mookie wrote: ↑4 years ago
Huh. RtR is... not where I would have predicted a new format to start. As a person that started playing during Innistrad block, I'm extremely disappointed by its exclusion, but I suppose the cutoff point has to be somewhere. I'm going to be interested to see their explanation for using it as a starting point - I would have expected Magic Origins.
Fetchland ban sounds good to me. Reduced manabase homogenization, less time shuffling, less easy graveyard fueling, and (hopefully) a lower price for entry. There are probably other cards that are going to end up banned, but I appreciate that they're giving everything a shot. Who knows - maybe
Treasure Cruise will actually be fair without all the fetchlands to delve away? (I doubt it, but should be interesting to see the format evolve)
I would have really started fresh with a rotation, as in "the old Standard stays as Pioneer and gets new cards when they rotate out of standard, bans included"
Re: New Format Pioneer
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:18 pm
by clariwench
I can't express enough just how much I do not want to play this format. No fetches and everything broken we've hated about Standard for the last 4 years? Hard pass. Very glad I'm not a grinder who's now forced to buy into another format because Wizards decided they can't control Modern.
Re: New Format Pioneer
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:24 pm
by Judge Irenicus
clariwench wrote: ↑4 years ago
I can't express enough just how much I do not want to play this format. No fetches and everything broken we've hated about Standard for the last 4 years? Hard pass. Very glad I'm not a grinder who's now forced to buy into another format because Wizards decided they can't control Modern.
Same here. I would have gladly joined the bandwagon would it been as I just described. I guess I'll pass, I've just sold my modern kernel because I'm sick of big formats and they just made this behemot of a new format. Meh.
Re: New Format Pioneer
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:48 pm
by The Fluff
seems like they are trying to make a low cost modern. No fetchlands, and skipping expensive modern staples like lily and scapcaster. Interesting, but I'll pass for now.
Re: New Format Pioneer
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 6:49 pm
by Mapccu
What I find kind of shocking is that frontier blew up on the mtgsalvation forums and pioneer discussion is kind of quiet so far. While there is certainly a lot of overlap with frontier, I think fetchlands being banned will change the landscape a bit between the formats. I honestly expected more discussion. I think CFB only posted 1-2 articles on it so far? Overall just very quiet and lackluster response from the community from my perspectiv so far.
Given that you can buy into the entire pioneer manabase for about the cost of a playset of tarns would have made me think people would have been excited for this.
I'm ready for this format and am looking forward to it. I have playset a of 80% of the top 50 modern cards by type/color right now. I am ready to play games that have a balance between perfect mana and consistent deckbuikding.
Re: New Format Pioneer
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:14 pm
by Soadi
Mapccu wrote: ↑4 years ago
What I find kind of shocking is that frontier blew up on the mtgsalvation forums and pioneer discussion is kind of quiet so far. While there is certainly a lot of overlap with frontier, I think fetchlands being banned will change the landscape a bit between the formats. I honestly expected more discussion. I think CFB only posted 1-2 articles on it so far? Overall just very quiet and lackluster response from the community from my perspectiv so far.
Given that you can buy into the entire pioneer manabase for about the cost of a playset of tarns would have made me think people would have been excited for this.
I'm ready for this format and am looking forward to it. I have playset a of 80% of the top 50 modern cards by type/color right now. I am ready to play games that have a balance between perfect mana and consistent deckbuikding.
I don't know where you usually check mtg suff but everywhere I see people are excited for the format, my LGS is doing tournaments starting november, ive seen some pros actually brewing and testing online, SCG with Corey and Ross did yesterday a stream with a couple Pioneer decks and they were super into it, reddit is all on Pioneer, MTGO goes live what today? Prices are already going up, there's is demand for the format. Also in the first 3/4 hours after the announcement there was literally thousands and thousands of decklists posted on MTGGoldfish.
Re: New Format Pioneer
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:16 pm
by Mapccu
Soadi wrote: ↑4 years ago
Mapccu wrote: ↑4 years ago
What I find kind of shocking is that frontier blew up on the mtgsalvation forums and pioneer discussion is kind of quiet so far. While there is certainly a lot of overlap with frontier, I think fetchlands being banned will change the landscape a bit between the formats. I honestly expected more discussion. I think CFB only posted 1-2 articles on it so far? Overall just very quiet and lackluster response from the community from my perspectiv so far.
Given that you can buy into the entire pioneer manabase for about the cost of a playset of tarns would have made me think people would have been excited for this.
I'm ready for this format and am looking forward to it. I have playset a of 80% of the top 50 modern cards by type/color right now. I am ready to play games that have a balance between perfect mana and consistent deckbuikding.
I don't know where you usually check mtg suff but everywhere I see people are excited for the format, my LGS is doing tournaments starting november, ive seen some pros actually brewing and testing online, SCG with Corey and Ross did yesterday a stream with a couple Pioneer decks and they were super into it, reddit is all on Pioneer, MTGO goes live what today? Prices are already going up, there's is demand for the format. Also in the first 3/4 hours after the announcement there was literally thousands and thousands of decklists posted on MTGGoldfish.
Guess I live under a rock lol. I've seen some streams, I guess I expected more published content and discussion on forums?
Re: New Format Pioneer
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:28 pm
by Soadi
Mapccu wrote: ↑4 years ago
Soadi wrote: ↑4 years ago
Mapccu wrote: ↑4 years ago
What I find kind of shocking is that frontier blew up on the mtgsalvation forums and pioneer discussion is kind of quiet so far. While there is certainly a lot of overlap with frontier, I think fetchlands being banned will change the landscape a bit between the formats. I honestly expected more discussion. I think CFB only posted 1-2 articles on it so far? Overall just very quiet and lackluster response from the community from my perspectiv so far.
Given that you can buy into the entire pioneer manabase for about the cost of a playset of tarns would have made me think people would have been excited for this.
I'm ready for this format and am looking forward to it. I have playset a of 80% of the top 50 modern cards by type/color right now. I am ready to play games that have a balance between perfect mana and consistent deckbuikding.
I don't know where you usually check mtg suff but everywhere I see people are excited for the format, my LGS is doing tournaments starting november, ive seen some pros actually brewing and testing online, SCG with Corey and Ross did yesterday a stream with a couple Pioneer decks and they were super into it, reddit is all on Pioneer, MTGO goes live what today? Prices are already going up, there's is demand for the format. Also in the first 3/4 hours after the announcement there was literally thousands and thousands of decklists posted on MTGGoldfish.
Guess I live under a rock lol. I've seen some streams, I guess I expected more published content and discussion on forums?
There's really a lot of discussion of reddit about the format, there's already a subreddit mind you. Check for example Twitch right now, several pros streaming early because Pioneer just dropped on MTGO.
Re: New Format Pioneer
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:58 pm
by The N82O Molecule
[mention]Mookie[/mention] I agree. with that I'm going to scrooge mcduck all my
temple of mysterys now that their value could go up lol (im looking at you foil temple from clash deck)
remember restriction breeds creativity and maybe pioneer will make the random rare that never did anything finally do something, its moment to shine. I mean every card now, is it good in pioneer? modern?edh?cube?vintage? limited? the trifecta? this one but not that one? lol I digress
perhaps some fear that pioneer and modern won't translate to each other well? well at least pioneer into modern.
is it the fear that in a few years there will be yet another format that hopes to quench the card pool?
Re: New Format Pioneer
Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 9:52 pm
by RxPhantom
The more I think about it, not including Innistrad block seems like the right move. There are so many cards in that block that define Modern. Having a clean break from it will help overall.
I really want to make an Abzan midrange kind of thing with
Seige Rhino,
Fleecemane Lion and
Voice of Resurgence. And other stuff. I don't know yet. It just feels good to have a format for which I already own a lot of the staples.
Re: New Format Pioneer
Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:04 am
by VikingV
Gatherer still hasn't been updated to search by format for Pioneer
Re: New Format Pioneer
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:00 am
by Dusk
VikingV wrote: ↑4 years ago
Gatherer still hasn't been updated to search by format for Pioneer
been using Scryfall. Their search isn't as good, but gets the job done
Re: New Format Pioneer
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:08 am
by motleyslayer
I think they made a good choice not including original Innistrad, no delver, griselbrand or snapcaster mage to name a few
I'm interested to see the format play out
Re: New Format Pioneer
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:23 pm
by The Fluff
I could be imagining things, but have the feeling that wotc wanted a format that make people want to buy standard packs.. instead of just buying a few singles from the secondary market. Pioneer looks better at encouraging standard booster pack buying than modern.