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Get A Clue: Demur Detective, Unsubtle Blast, Cothyriz, and Spiritual Awakening

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 6:25 pm
by NUMBERS
Demur Detective
U
Creature - Spirit Soldier
Flash
When Demur Detective enters the battlefield, you may sacrifice a permanent. If you do, draw a card.

Surprisingly reckless.

1/1
Unsubtle Blast
R
Instant
Deal 3 damage to target creature. It's controller investigates. (To investigate, create a colorless Clue artifact token with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Draw a card.")

"You know that had to come from somewhere."
-Aithen, Constable

Cothyriz, Sadistic Aristocrat
GB
Legendary Creature - Zombie Wizard
Haste, Lifelink
Sacrifice a permanent: Cothyriz, Sadistic Aristocrat gets +1/+0 and Trample until end of turn.

"It merely must suffer..."
-Cothyriz

2/1
Spiritual Awakening
X
Sorcery
As an additional cost to cast Spiritual Awakening, sacrifice X permanents.
Create X 2/2 colorless Spirit creature tokens.

"Absolution comes in many forms."
-Maryhk, Street Preacher

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Demur Detective
U
Creature - Faerie Soldier
Flying
When Demur Detective enters the battlefield, you may sacrifice a permanent. If you do, draw a card.

Surprisingly reckless.

1/1
Cothyriz, Sadistic Aristocrat
GB
Legendary Creature - Vampire Zombie Wizard
Haste, Lifelink
Sacrifice a permanent: Cothyriz, Sadistic Aristocrat gets +1/+0 and Trample until end of turn.

"It merely must suffer..."
-Cothyriz

2/1
Demur Detective
W
Creature - Human Soldier
When Demur Detective enters the battlefield, you may sacrifice a permanent. If you do, draw a card.

Surprisingly reckless.

1/1
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Feels to me like I might be putting a little too much burn in uncommon between Unsubtle Blast and Retributive Lightning.

Additionally the power level on Cothyriz and Spiritual Awakening might be iffy, I keep going back and forth on upping the latter's cost...
Unsubtle Lightning owes inspiration to Thunderspell by [mention]SmashPortal[/mention].

Re: Get A Clue: Demur Detective, Unsubtle Blast, Cothyriz, and Spiritual Awakening

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 6:35 pm
by user_938036
Demur Detectiive isnt really white. While any color can cantrip specifically asking to sacrifice permanents is strange. It's not even actually good being only a 1/1. While not every card has to be the best it can be when compared to a common that saw play this falls very short. Thraben Inspector. At a minimum this should go up to a 1/2, it could also go to a 2/1.

Cothyriz, how can a creature be both a Vampire and a zombie? If you have sculpted a world that allows this I would like to hear how it happens.

Re: Get A Clue: Demur Detective, Unsubtle Blast, Cothyriz, and Spiritual Awakening

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 6:53 pm
by NUMBERS
user_938036 wrote:
4 years ago
Demur Detectiive isnt really white. While any color can cantrip specifically asking to sacrifice permanents is strange. It's not even actually good being only a 1/1. While not every card has to be the best it can be when compared to a common that saw play this falls very short. Thraben Inspector. At a minimum this should go up to a 1/2, it could also go to a 2/1.

Cothyriz, how can a creature be both a Vampire and a zombie? If you have sculpted a world that allows this I would like to hear how it happens.
That's a very good point on Demur Detective. I'm thinking of a pretty significant rework on it to the following:
Demur Detective
U
Creature - Faerie Soldier
Flying
When Demur Detective enters the battlefield, you may sacrifice a permanent. If you do, draw a card.

Surprisingly reckless.

1/1

And Cothyriz might be a bit of a flavor stretch on those types... though my initial thought was something along the lines of "vampire so obsessed with the inherent cruelty of their existence that death couldn't keep them" and maybe that needs to be reflected on the card. But in the interest of not making it overly busy that might have to be reflected on other cards.

Re: Get A Clue: Demur Detective, Unsubtle Blast, Cothyriz, and Spiritual Awakening

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 7:05 pm
by Dragonlover
Could make Cothyriz a Lich?

Dragonlover

Re: Get A Clue: Demur Detective, Unsubtle Blast, Cothyriz, and Spiritual Awakening

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 7:16 pm
by NUMBERS
Dragonlover wrote:
4 years ago
Could make Cothyriz a Lich?

Dragonlover
My intent is for them was to be a Vampire Lich, which type wise means Vampire Zombie from my understanding. :)

Re: Get A Clue: Demur Detective, Unsubtle Blast, Cothyriz, and Spiritual Awakening

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 7:24 pm
by Dragonlover
Having just checked Scryfall, you're right. Had a brain fart there, thought Lich was a type. Maybe have his phylactery as a card in the set as well?

Dragonlover

Re: Get A Clue: Demur Detective, Unsubtle Blast, Cothyriz, and Spiritual Awakening

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 7:26 pm
by NUMBERS
Dragonlover wrote:
4 years ago
Having just checked Scryfall, you're right. Had a brain fart there, thought Lich was a type. Maybe have his phylactery as a card in the set as well?

Dragonlover
I definitely had to double check myself! That's a good idea, I think...

Re: Get A Clue: Demur Detective, Unsubtle Blast, Cothyriz, and Spiritual Awakening

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:06 pm
by user_938036
The new Demure Detective works fine within the colors and isn't so bad that no one would want to play it. The fact that you can sacrifice itself means at worst it is Draw a card.
And Cothyriz might be a bit of a flavor stretch on those types... though my initial thought was something along the lines of "vampire so obsessed with the inherent cruelty of their existence that death couldn't keep them"
So he was a vampire and then died but managed to come back. Are they still meaningfully a vampire? Because this is pure flavor you can think of it in world rather than mechanics; if a spell affected vampires would it still affect him? If they are a lich then I can understand having a phylactery makes them meaningfully undead even if not represented on the card. But does being a lich overwrite their general vampire characteristics that would be expected? This is a very strange type line because vampires are often seen as a form of undead. It's like seeing "Demon Devil", "Dragon Drake", or "Giant Cyclops" one is seen as a superior version of the other or at least mostly the same.

Re: Get A Clue: Demur Detective, Unsubtle Blast, Cothyriz, and Spiritual Awakening

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 11:38 pm
by NUMBERS
[mention]user_938036[/mention] you've made a compelling case for simplicity. I'll cut Vampire I think. :)

e: Gave Demur Detective Flash instead of Flying.