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Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 10:27 pm
by Hermes_
Sporegorger_Dragon wrote: ↑1 month ago
This seems so wrong.
Also I'm disappointed that they didn't make its type
Ugin's to mirror
Urza's.
would have required some errata on other cards and may not have been worth the trouble.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Wed May 01, 2024 2:41 am
by Dunadain
Alright fine, I'm taking
Urza's Cave as a sign.
Zask, Skittering Swarmlord will be joining the permanent deck collection. Maybe I can finally get rid of
Emiel the Blessed.
It's almost comical how good this card is for the deck.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Wed May 01, 2024 4:14 am
by Dunadain
And I just read
Wight of the Reliquary again confirming my suspicion that someone at WOTC made a copy of my Zask deck and is now abusing his influence to make cool new cards for the deck.
Hey, another Un-card turned into real card in
Planar Nexus.
Final Act is another Foray into the Black Board Wipes which I am all down for, Still not sure I prefer it over MV 5 options, but we are certainly moving in the right direction.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Wed May 01, 2024 7:18 am
by DirkGently
Final Act gives us another way to remove poison counters, when paired with
Sudden Substitution or
Hive Mind. Everything else is symmetrical so control doesn't really matter.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Wed May 01, 2024 8:26 am
by folding_music
agh I really dislike gravekill being thrown into these board wipes for free... or rather I think
Shadows' Verdict type-implementation which just blasts a subset of cards is good, but unrestricted gravekill is cruel and messes with lower power decks really really hard
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Wed May 01, 2024 11:34 am
by duducrash
So, this spoilers were just a response to the leaks or spoiler season has begun?
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Wed May 01, 2024 1:19 pm
by CommanderMaster999
Yeeeea turns out we're not out of the woods yet.
Unofficial Spoiler Discussion
The ninjas missed a Facebook group that has the commander decks
First a cleaner version of some of those new eldrazi deck cards we already figured out
Next is 3 more new cards
Basically what this does they select which monocolor permanents they own survives this wrath and colorless ones make it as well.
You a fan of
Nashi, Moon Sage's Scion? Well now we get a eldrazi version but this only does one player, however it's impossible to wiff it throws away the lands into exile so that's handy for the processor cards.
WHAT THE HECK WERE THEY THINKING WITH THIS!?! With your own
Dark Depths not Only you can freebie cast a card like
Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger you get Marit.
And here's some more cards from the Jund precon (one from the simic)
Basically it's
Broodmate Dragon on steroids
Again? How many more forever
Gishath, Sun's Avatar staples will they make ever since caverns of ixalan? and this one basically similar to
Saskia the Unyielding but it doubles the damage instead.
Whoa!… good luck not falling for this tempt especially if it targets a draw spell or ramp spell.
No where near as strong this kind of reminds me of
Ezuri's Predation but only a certain number of creatures but it's any creature you want to do the fighting.
Ooooh ho. I'm looking forward to seeing the horror of a players face when they
Wrath of God/
Damnation effect a board and this jumps out.
Holy cow! That thing is gonna be a really really big creature just doing one X makes it a 11/11
No way! This phyrexian makes every single removal spell way better since you get a second target with single target stuff.
Oh boy it just started as of MH3 and Lhurgoyf tribal might be scary since the damage can really stack with those creatures
Here's another variant of
Bloodbraid Elf….. but one mana more…..and has escape.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Wed May 01, 2024 2:05 pm
by folding_music
applauding Tempt with Mayhem as loud as I can. mmm responding to a greedy play like
Eureka Moment with this accelerates the game about a million turns (saltiness of play group dictating)
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Wed May 01, 2024 5:10 pm
by duducrash
I see jund's theme is.... jund
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Wed May 01, 2024 5:20 pm
by NZB2323
Wight of the Reliquary seems great in
Sidisi, Brood Tyrant.
Kudo, King Among Bears seems like a fun deck. I'm a huge Chicago Bears fans, but this guy is green and white, not blue and orange. My Bears deck would be Packer colors.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Wed May 01, 2024 6:00 pm
by Sporegorger_Dragon
duducrash wrote: ↑1 month ago
I see jund's theme is.... jund
Unofficial Spoiler Discussion
And it's glorious! Love the reference to both Broodmate Dragon and Karrthus.
Also that Cultist, T1 Swamp, Sol Ring, T2 Dark Depths, then Cultist, then Ulamog.
Sooooo convenient we also got Urza's Cave to help get the Dark Depths, I'm almost crying.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Wed May 01, 2024 6:22 pm
by Igzex
Unofficial Spoiler Discussion
cool, encore-ing broodmate tyrant gives me almost enough tokens to pitch to that Ulamog's annihilator!
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Wed May 01, 2024 8:08 pm
by DirkGently
Unofficial Spoiler Discussion
I think people are overrating cultist. Aside from DD, which sucks in eldrazi commander decks anyway, are there worthwhile synergies?
folding_music wrote: ↑1 month ago
agh I really dislike gravekill being thrown into these board wipes for free... or rather I think
Shadows' Verdict type-implementation which just blasts a subset of cards is good, but unrestricted gravekill is cruel and messes with lower power decks really really hard
I wouldn't say it's "for free". All the non-creature modes are really niche so otherwise it'd almost just be a 6mv wrath of god, which sucks (okay, planeswalkers is moderately useful but battles and…energy counters? Experience counters? Is crazy niche).
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Thu May 02, 2024 12:44 am
by CommanderMaster999
DirkGently wrote: ↑1 month ago
Unofficial Spoiler Discussion
I think people are overrating cultist. Aside from DD, which sucks in eldrazi commander decks anyway, are there worthwhile synergies?
Unofficial Spoiler Discussion
I don't know I've played edh games for a long time
A third of the time you get a juicy target with a truck load of counters. Whether it's +1/+1 or what ever counters. The most often target is regular old hydra.
And plus that cost reduction is any kind of spell not just permanents you could use the reduction for a
Torment of Hailfire like card
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Thu May 02, 2024 5:15 am
by Hermes_
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Thu May 02, 2024 6:18 am
by Cyax
The card is more like
Back to Basics than
Winter Orb because missing basics is huge. Being colorless and a two-drop means decks that can't run
Blood Moon or
Back to Basics can run this instead. It sounds amazing in a number of mono-color decks as a potentially one-sided form of stax, and I look forwards to trying it out.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Thu May 02, 2024 6:28 am
by Mookie
It's a mix of
Blood Moon and
Winter Orb, but I think the closest parallel is actually
Back to Basics. It's a stax piece, which makes me somewhat hesitant to consider it for more casual metas... but I do appreciate it as a strong hate piece for monocolor / basic-heavy decks against decks with greedier manabases. I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up being relevant in cEDH or other formats, and artifacts tend to be easy to tutor up.
I appreciate that it is colorless and can provide redundancy for other nonbasic hate - it's hard to justify running an all-basic manabase for just Blood Moon or B2B alone because you won't draw them in most games. With Winter Moon (and
Magus of the Moon or its upcoming blue equivalent), it becomes significantly more likely that you'll see at least one. I'm not sure if I'll run all the blue options in Thada, but I'm certainly considering it.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Thu May 02, 2024 8:26 am
by DirkGently
Winter moon is the nonbasic hate that we need, but I suspect not the kind people want as it's comparatively soft - much softer than B2B or winter orb. But it'll probably get played in decks that were already eschewing nonbasics for the red nonbasic hate. As long as you're already eschewing good utility lands, you may as well commit to the bit.
Anyway I appreciate wotc trying to make nonbasic hate that isn't quite so pull-your-hair-out obnoxious.
CommanderMaster999 wrote: ↑1 month ago
Unofficial Spoiler Discussion
I don't know I've played edh games for a long time
A third of the time you get a juicy target with a truck load of counters. Whether it's +1/+1 or what ever counters. The most often target is regular old hydra.
And plus that cost reduction is any kind of spell not just permanents you could use the reduction for a
Torment of Hailfire like card
Unofficial Spoiler Discussion
So it's a build-around that's also a narrow hate piece so it doesn't work unless our opponents are playing counters? That seems bad. Zero people play
Parting Thoughts and that's at least a reliable sorcery-speed murder instead of basically nothing.
Plus most cards with X counters on them cost somewhere around X mana, so it's probably not ramping us more than other mana doublers that are more reliable and last longer than a turn.
And then the DD combo is a 3-parter with 2 specific otherwise-bad pieces that doesn't reliably win you the game - not even close tbh.
Seems like a nothingburger in commander. Maybe it's viable in other formats with 4x DD and 20 life - I wouldn't be able to speak to that. Wait DD is banned in modern? Okay p sure this guy is destined for the bulk bin then.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Thu May 02, 2024 12:34 pm
by Dunadain
Vampire Hexmage has been chilling for years. This poser ain't going anywhere.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Thu May 02, 2024 12:40 pm
by DirkGently
Unofficial Spoiler Discussion
just realized the obvious - the synergy isn't supposed to be DD or hoping-an-opponent-is-playing-hydras, it's targeting your own battles. Of course whether battles will see enough support to make that remotely interesting is an open question - currently they're niche playable at best.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Thu May 02, 2024 12:47 pm
by heridfel
CommanderMaster999 wrote: ↑1 month ago
Yeeeea turns out we're not out of the woods yet.
Unofficial Spoiler Discussion
The ninjas missed a Facebook group that has the commander decks
First a cleaner version of some of those new eldrazi deck cards we already figured out
Next is 3 more new cards
Basically what this does they select which monocolor permanents they own survives this wrath and colorless ones make it as well.
You a fan of
Nashi, Moon Sage's Scion? Well now we get a eldrazi version but this only does one player, however it's impossible to wiff it throws away the lands into exile so that's handy for the processor cards.
WHAT THE HECK WERE THEY THINKING WITH THIS!?! With your own
Dark Depths not Only you can freebie cast a card like
Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger you get Marit.
And here's some more cards from the Jund precon (one from the simic)
Basically it's
Broodmate Dragon on steroids
Again? How many more forever
Gishath, Sun's Avatar staples will they make ever since caverns of ixalan? and this one basically similar to
Saskia the Unyielding but it doubles the damage instead.
Whoa!… good luck not falling for this tempt especially if it targets a draw spell or ramp spell.
No where near as strong this kind of reminds me of
Ezuri's Predation but only a certain number of creatures but it's any creature you want to do the fighting.
Ooooh ho. I'm looking forward to seeing the horror of a players face when they
Wrath of God/
Damnation effect a board and this jumps out.
Holy cow! That thing is gonna be a really really big creature just doing one X makes it a 11/11
No way! This phyrexian makes every single removal spell way better since you get a second target with single target stuff.
Oh boy it just started as of MH3 and Lhurgoyf tribal might be scary since the damage can really stack with those creatures
Here's another variant of
Bloodbraid Elf….. but one mana more…..and has escape.
Are all of these images broken for everyone else? I can't tell if it is because they are from the Discord app and I am not a member of whatever server they are from or if they were also wiped out.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Thu May 02, 2024 1:12 pm
by CommanderMaster999
heridfel wrote: ↑1 month ago
CommanderMaster999 wrote: ↑1 month ago
Yeeeea turns out we're not out of the woods yet.
Unofficial Spoiler Discussion
The ninjas missed a Facebook group that has the commander decks
First a cleaner version of some of those new eldrazi deck cards we already figured out
Next is 3 more new cards
Basically what this does they select which monocolor permanents they own survives this wrath and colorless ones make it as well.
You a fan of
Nashi, Moon Sage's Scion? Well now we get a eldrazi version but this only does one player, however it's impossible to wiff it throws away the lands into exile so that's handy for the processor cards.
WHAT THE HECK WERE THEY THINKING WITH THIS!?! With your own
Dark Depths not Only you can freebie cast a card like
Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger you get Marit.
And here's some more cards from the Jund precon (one from the simic)
Basically it's
Broodmate Dragon on steroids
Again? How many more forever
Gishath, Sun's Avatar staples will they make ever since caverns of ixalan? and this one basically similar to
Saskia the Unyielding but it doubles the damage instead.
Whoa!… good luck not falling for this tempt especially if it targets a draw spell or ramp spell.
No where near as strong this kind of reminds me of
Ezuri's Predation but only a certain number of creatures but it's any creature you want to do the fighting.
Ooooh ho. I'm looking forward to seeing the horror of a players face when they
Wrath of God/
Damnation effect a board and this jumps out.
Holy cow! That thing is gonna be a really really big creature just doing one X makes it a 11/11
No way! This phyrexian makes every single removal spell way better since you get a second target with single target stuff.
Oh boy it just started as of MH3 and Lhurgoyf tribal might be scary since the damage can really stack with those creatures
Here's another variant of
Bloodbraid Elf….. but one mana more…..and has escape.
Are all of these images broken for everyone else? I can't tell if it is because they are from the Discord app and I am not a member of whatever server they are from or if they were also wiped out.
Hmm your right there not working for me either and I was the poster
There we there perfectly fine when I first posted it
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Thu May 02, 2024 1:15 pm
by duducrash
they are working for me. I wonder if its a region thing
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Thu May 02, 2024 3:25 pm
by CommanderMaster999
ok i think i just fixed the images
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Fri May 03, 2024 12:53 pm
by ilovesaprolings
Honestly i'm really liking the jund theme being the jund shard. I have alway loved it, both tematically and mechanically.
Too bad jund commander are kinda bad or boring and doesn't reflect the shard. Even the new ones we are getting in this deck are incredibly boring and don't really fit the jund theme, especially Gargor.