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Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 9:42 pm
by Dragoon
I like her (more randomness, yay!) but I feel like the "Discard a card: Return to hand" is a bit much. Something like Ward would have been just fine imo.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 9:50 pm
by Wallycaine
Dragoon wrote: ↑3 years ago
I like her (more randomness, yay!) but I feel like the "Discard a card: Return to hand" is a bit much. Something like Ward would have been just fine imo.
I think that wouldn't accomplish the goal, which is less "protect her" and more "allow you to use the other side".
Generally, I think it'll be a bit weaker than people are assuming at first, as magecraft and the mana cost both limit how ridiculous she can be. That said, will still probably be fun to watch.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 9:52 pm
by darrenhabib
Search for Blex draw 5 or even setup graveyard is very strong from the Command zone.
Myth Unbound seems tempting with this strategy.
The thing with these new modal creature/sorcery cards is that you can use graveyard creature retrieval cards like
Volrath's Stronghold or
Phyrexian Reclamation to keep recasting sorcery cards which is a unique angle to these mechanics.
If you can keep casting
Deadly Vanity in the late game with
Volrath's Stronghold a lot of decks are just not going to be able to overcome it.
Tempted by the Oriq is a super powerful tempo card. If you get three commanders by turn 4 it is probably GG.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 9:59 pm
by Dragoon
Wallycaine wrote: ↑3 years ago
I think that wouldn't accomplish the goal, which is less "protect her" and more "allow you to use the other side".
Mmh, I think of the other side more as a setup for the front side actually. Is there any real benefit to bounce her, cast Journey, discard a card to get it back, then recast her again?
Wallycaine wrote: ↑3 years ago
Generally, I think it'll be a bit weaker than people are assuming at first, as magecraft and the mana cost both limit how ridiculous she can be. That said, will still probably be fun to watch.
I think she will be fun indeed, but if the deck is playing cheap cantrips and some top deck manipulation, maybe she'll end up being annoying? Having counterspell backup to protect her can also be good as it fuels her spell-cheating ability. I love those types of cards anyway but I don't want them to be overly powerful either, although her CMC might be just high enough to prevent real abuse.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 10:06 pm
by Wallycaine
Dragoon wrote: ↑3 years ago
Wallycaine wrote: ↑3 years ago
I think that wouldn't accomplish the goal, which is less "protect her" and more "allow you to use the other side".
Mmh, I think of the other side more as a setup for the front side actually. Is there any real benefit to bounce her, cast Journey, discard a card to get it back, then recast her again?
Blue and Green draw a lot of cards. Lots of cards means lots of lands in hand. Especially if you've just resolved something like
Sea Gate Restoration // Sea Gate, Reborn, it wouldn't be unreasonable to end up in a situation where bouncing her back to your hand lets you go mana positive, either on just
Journey to the Oracle or, if you've really got a full grip or hit a massive land pocket, both Journey and her. Even something like "spend 4 and 2 cards to ramp 8 'tapped'" is real strong, and totally feasible.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 11:41 pm
by CommanderMaster999
Now we are talking about
Journey to the Oracle right.
Ummm I'm probably gonna get punched in the face for realizing this is possible
How do you feel about
Sunder holding 4 mana for
Journey to the Oracle then pretty much put your lands back in...Untapped. And above 8 it goes back it
Basically another way to create the evil
Armageddon with
Teferi's Protection trick
And to really really vomit from the thoughts of sacing a
Mindslicer after that
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2021 12:28 am
by Serenade
Leech Fanatic is the only character I care about in this set.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2021 2:00 am
by FenrirRex
I adore that
Elimination Ritual just straight up bodies early game rocks and dorks, potentially ramping up into a huge play if the rest of the table is sitting on a critical mass of them. Fun stuff.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2021 2:05 am
by pokken
FenrirRex wrote: ↑3 years ago
I adore that
Elimination Ritual just straight up bodies early game rocks and dorks, potentially ramping up into a huge play if the rest of the table is sitting on a critical mass of them. Fun stuff.
I am nearly 100% sure it has a sweet derpy combo too and I'm excited to figure it out
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2021 2:08 am
by kirkusjones
Grismold, the Dreadsower must be a Witherbloom alum, because that deck is getting sooooo many killer toys in this set. Can't wait. Might be time to finally post a list here, too.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2021 6:33 am
by NZB2323
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2021 8:16 am
by Mookie
Probably no, but hard to say. Going only off
some analysis on conditional removal spells, Despark hits more creatures than
Ultimate Price. It's possible that number is somewhat different when you add noncreatures to the mix, but would need to do some analysis to determine which way it goes. My brief analysis suggests that Vanishing Verse hits significantly more enchantments, while Despark hits significantly more planeswalkers and artifacts. So, depends somewhat on what cards you care about more.
I'll also note that my brief analysis excludes card relevance - I didn't exclude cards not worth using removal on. That said, I would say that higher CMC tends to have a strong positive correlation with 'needs to be dealt with', while monocolor can have a negative correlation with that (due to most commanders being multicolor).
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2021 10:24 am
by ilovesaprolings
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2021 6:59 pm
by Sporegorger_Dragon
Blex, Vexing Pest
There are no Insect, Snakes, or Spiders in the set and only one Bat.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2021 8:20 pm
by kirkusjones
We're going back to Innistrad soon, aren't we? Insects and spiders and snakes, oh my!
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2021 8:43 pm
by DirkGently
Aww the blue mastery sucks
I mean it's ok I guess but it's not phelddagriffable.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2021 8:53 pm
by TheAmericanSpirit
Rushed Rebirth seems pretty good....
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:08 am
by JWK
Has the entire set been spoiled? Maybe we will get a couple more.
Either way, seems intended for us than as a thing in limited. And maybe there will be some good ones in upcoming sets, including the next Innistrad sets, as already suggested.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:52 am
by Sporegorger_Dragon
JWK wrote: ↑3 years ago
Has the entire set been spoiled? Maybe we will get a couple more.
Either way, seems intended for us than as a thing in limited. And maybe there will be some good ones in upcoming sets, including the next Innistrad sets, as already suggested.
It's basically trinket text, yes, but seems misleading and a massive let-down after its text was teased by Rosewater.
At least we have all all these Changelings running around.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:53 am
by Wallycaine
JWK wrote: ↑3 years ago
Has the entire set been spoiled? Maybe we will get a couple more.
Either way, seems intended for us than as a thing in limited. And maybe there will be some good ones in upcoming sets, including the next Innistrad sets, as already suggested.
Full set has been spoiled, outside the commander decks. That said, those creature types were almost certainly added for flavor/backwards compatibility, as Pests as a creature type are a new Strixhaven thing. This lets him be the lord of pests in limited/standard, while still allowing him to synergize with Pest-like creature types in standard and commander.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:08 am
by Serenade
....pests arose in Mirrodin 2.0.
(A BG variant of
Moonlight Bargain as a general seems very strong.)
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:22 am
by Wallycaine
Technically, Mirrodin 1.0.
Nuisance Engine was the original,
Signal Pest was the callback. Considering those are the only two, however, I felt comfortable calling it a "new Strixhaven thing", just like I'd call Werewolves a "new Innistrad thing" when they first came out.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:27 am
by Serenade
Ah, my bad. I forgot about that OG pest token-producer, AND I was thinking that living weapon were all pests instead of germs.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2021 12:46 pm
by DirkGently
Tonight I'll pour one out for
Divide by Zero, a card that would have been sweet if the RC didn't squash lessons
All the rest of the learn spells are pretty meh. I guess
Sparring Regimen is alright...and I'd play
Dream Strix in
Sygg, River Cutthroat. That's about it.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2021 1:01 pm
by TheAmericanSpirit
I'm beginning to think learn is pretty good even as just a rummage. Card selection is useful.