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Re: [Off-Topic] Community Chat Thread
Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2021 7:28 pm
by SocorroTortoise
Hermes_ wrote: ↑3 years ago
I only posted the list because you said you weren't sure about other foundries.
No worries. That was specifically about foundries that could handle the small process node, which was not super apparent from my post. I didn't find any source that had process node information compiled by foundry/company in my brief search, so I just went with the ones that I've encountered or heard of.
Re: [Off-Topic] Community Chat Thread
Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:18 am
by Hermes_
SocorroTortoise wrote: ↑3 years ago
Hermes_ wrote: ↑3 years ago
I only posted the list because you said you weren't sure about other foundries.
No worries. That was specifically about foundries that could handle the small process node, which was not super apparent from my post. I didn't find any source that had process node information compiled by foundry/company in my brief search, so I just went with the ones that I've encountered or heard of.
I honestly learned a bit from just googling for that info,so win win lol
My walmart was totally sold out of TSR
Re: [Off-Topic] Community Chat Thread
Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2021 9:31 am
by DirkGently
This spoke to me:
I feel like I'm constantly vacillating between having cards strewn about and wanting my apartment clean, and having a clean apartment and wanting to build a commander deck.
Re: [Off-Topic] Community Chat Thread
Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2021 12:59 pm
by Krishnath
Hermes_ wrote: ↑3 years ago
SocorroTortoise wrote: ↑3 years ago
There are a couple things about that list that aren't immediately apparent.
I only posted the list because you said you weren't sure about other foundries.
Krishnath wrote: ↑3 years ago
Dunharrow wrote: ↑3 years ago
But that's just it - people can afford it. There may be backlash from the gaming community, but the automotive industry will keep buying (as well as other industries). I don't think the price will settle anywhere near where it was before.
The vast majority of people can't afford it. An average graphics card costs more than what the average person makes in a month over here. That is a heck of a lot of money, for an
*average* graphics card. For a good one, you'd have to pay anywhere between twice and five times that. So no, while a few people can afford it, not enough can to make it economically viable in the long run. Heck, even my graphics card, that is almost four years old by now, costs almost 1000€ to purchase, on average. That's a lot of friggin' money.
Over where you live,but in a lot of places folks ARE able to afford it many times over. Here's a pic of someone's mining rig from reddit
others are posting the following : 1 5700xt, 4 1660 supers, 2 2060's, 1 2070 super.
In this case,it's really like living on a another world.
Just because someone on reddit posts that
*they* can afford it, doesn't make it affordable. After all, both Billionaire Bill Gates and former president of the US Barack Obama are members there, as are a lot of celebrities and millionaires the world over. Someone with an average income most certainly can not, and as that is around 90-95% of the graphic card customer base, if not more, yeah...
Re: [Off-Topic] Community Chat Thread
Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:11 pm
by Hermes_
Krishnath wrote: ↑3 years ago
Hermes_ wrote: ↑3 years ago
SocorroTortoise wrote: ↑3 years ago
There are a couple things about that list that aren't immediately apparent.
I only posted the list because you said you weren't sure about other foundries.
Krishnath wrote: ↑3 years ago
The vast majority of people can't afford it. An average graphics card costs more than what the average person makes in a month over here. That is a heck of a lot of money, for an
*average* graphics card. For a good one, you'd have to pay anywhere between twice and five times that. So no, while a few people can afford it, not enough can to make it economically viable in the long run. Heck, even my graphics card, that is almost four years old by now, costs almost 1000€ to purchase, on average. That's a lot of friggin' money.
Over where you live,but in a lot of places folks ARE able to afford it many times over. Here's a pic of someone's mining rig from reddit
others are posting the following : 1 5700xt, 4 1660 supers, 2 2060's, 1 2070 super.
In this case,it's really like living on a another world.
Just because someone on reddit posts that
*they* can afford it, doesn't make it affordable. Someone with an average income most certainly can not, and as that is around 90-95% of the graphic card customer base, if not more, yeah...
Here's an article on the average income in the US
https://www.thestreet.com/personal-fina ... s-14852178
then take a look here
https://www.reddit.com/r/gpumining/ and count how many pictures have more than 2 graphic cards. Some of those rig builds are impressive, but i still wanna break into the house take a card lol
This one got the cards over a 3 month time frame
Re: [Off-Topic] Community Chat Thread
Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:48 pm
by Krishnath
Fun fact: The majority of the people in the world don't actually live in the US.
Re: [Off-Topic] Community Chat Thread
Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:46 pm
by Hermes_
Krishnath wrote: ↑3 years ago
Fun fact: The majority of the people in the world don't actually live in the US.
If you wanna go worldwide,then in all honesty after looking at some data i'm not sure the majority of people could even afford a basic computer no matter what
https://www.worlddata.info/average-income.php
Here's a snapshot from South korea
https://news.bitcoin.com/south-korean-o ... -3-months/
Cheap Hydropower in Nordic countries is bringing Chinese miners
https://news.bitcoin.com/chinese-miners ... elopments/ https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... heap-power
I'm honestly not sure what our disagreement is about lol, miners are having an effect (is that the right word or is it the other one? lol) on current prices along with the issues caused by the pandemic. Both Nividia and AMD are saying they should be back to normal stock by mid next month or so, but if it that will push prices down and if so by how much is anyone's guess.
Re: [Off-Topic] Community Chat Thread
Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2021 5:05 pm
by Krishnath
Pretty sure those numbers aren't accurate, because I can tell you, the average worker here in Sweden doesn't make that much money once taxes are paid. Now, if it income prior to taxes, then yeah.
But I am not really arguing, I am simply telling you that the average worker over here can't afford even a mid-tier graphics card at the moment. At least not if they want to eat and pay their bills.
Re: [Off-Topic] Community Chat Thread
Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2021 5:38 pm
by Hermes_
Krishnath wrote: ↑3 years ago
Pretty sure those numbers aren't accurate, because I can tell you, the average worker here in Sweden doesn't make that much money once taxes are paid. Now, if it income prior to taxes, then yeah.
But I am not really arguing, I am simply telling you that the average worker over here can't afford even a mid-tier graphics card at the moment. At least not if they want to eat and pay their bills.
While,i'm saying over here and it looks like in a few other places the average worker can afford multiplies
Re: [Off-Topic] Community Chat Thread
Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2021 5:52 pm
by Krishnath
Hermes_ wrote: ↑3 years ago
Krishnath wrote: ↑3 years ago
Pretty sure those numbers aren't accurate, because I can tell you, the average worker here in Sweden doesn't make that much money once taxes are paid. Now, if it income prior to taxes, then yeah.
But I am not really arguing, I am simply telling you that the average worker over here can't afford even a mid-tier graphics card at the moment. At least not if they want to eat and pay their bills.
While,i'm saying over here and it looks like in a few other places the average worker can afford multiplies
Look, if an average graphics card costs 1000€ over here, and the average monthly income after taxes is 900€, then no, it is not affordable. At least not if you intend to eat and pay your bills.
Re: [Off-Topic] Community Chat Thread
Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2021 6:37 pm
by Hermes_
What's not affordable to you,is affordable to someone somewhere otherwise scalpers wouldn't be going with the prices they are.
EDIT:
https://www.techradar.com/news/whats-th ... y-buy-them
Re: [Off-Topic] Community Chat Thread
Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2021 6:43 pm
by SocorroTortoise
@Hermes_ I think you're overestimating the spending power of the average worker, even in the US. Someone making $50k annually (similar to the article you linked and translates to ~$24/hr, which is definitely more than a number of people I know are getting) is getting ~$3k/month after taxes depending on various factors. After taking out rent, utilities, food, and any debt, you're probably looking at saving for months to afford a single card. Just because some people are able to pay inflated prices and post about it on reddit doesn't make it affordable.
Re: [Off-Topic] Community Chat Thread
Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2021 6:57 pm
by Hermes_
Re: [Off-Topic] Community Chat Thread
Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:34 pm
by Dunharrow
DirkGently wrote: ↑3 years ago
This spoke to me:image.jpeg
I feel like I'm constantly vacillating between having cards strewn about and wanting my apartment clean, and having a clean apartment and wanting to build a commander deck.
Right now I have close to half my commander decks out in my office.
I am tweaking one deck.
The others are out because I am considering selling my expensive cards. I was going to, so I pulled them from their respective decks. But then I applied for a promising job that would allow me to keep them. So these decks are all in limbo since they are missing cards but I don't want to replace them yet.
Oh well.
Re: [Off-Topic] Community Chat Thread
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:10 am
by cryogen
Yes. Just not for very long.
I retired before the new PT test went into effect, so all I did was push-ups, sit-ups, and a two mile run. Never did a leg tuck in my life, and I would probably injure myself trying.
Re: [Off-Topic] Community Chat Thread
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 1:56 am
by Hermes_
cryogen wrote: ↑3 years ago
Yes. Just not for very long.
I retired before the new PT test went into effect, so all I did was push-ups, sit-ups, and a two mile run. Never did a leg tuck in my life, and I would probably injure myself trying.
So,what you're saying is you're out of shape?
Re: [Off-Topic] Community Chat Thread
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:03 pm
by Rumpy5897
We're an hour away from the Strixhaven debut stream. I should be excited - the setting's pretty decent, there's C21 to go along with it... yet I cannot muster even an ounce of enthusiasm.
I think this has a lot to do with the unprecedented level of Perpetual Hype™. The time between the autumn and spring set tended to be relatively quiet, and by the time the spring rolled around you'd be rested and have your appetite whetted for a more intense summer release schedule. Half a year in high gear, half a year in low gear. This has not been the case recently - the space between the autumn and winter sets saw CMR land, which to me was a major bombshell. Even TSR managed to be more taxing than a masters set due to the old frame bonus sheet. By contrast, ELD-TBD-IKO went without any real side hubbub. I feel quite out of juice, and never really had the opportunity to rebuild the juice supplies or cleanse my palate.
Re: [Off-Topic] Community Chat Thread
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 5:27 pm
by SocorroTortoise
Rumpy5897 wrote: ↑3 years ago
We're an hour away from the Strixhaven debut stream. I should be excited - the setting's pretty decent, there's C21 to go along with it... yet I cannot muster even an ounce of enthusiasm.
I think this has a lot to do with the unprecedented level of Perpetual Hype™. The time between the autumn and spring set tended to be relatively quiet, and by the time the spring rolled around you'd be rested and have your appetite whetted for a more intense summer release schedule. Half a year in high gear, half a year in low gear. This has not been the case recently - the space between the autumn and winter sets saw CMR land, which to me was a major bombshell. Even TSR managed to be more taxing than a masters set due to the old frame bonus sheet. By contrast, ELD-TBD-IKO went without any real side hubbub. I feel quite out of juice, and never really had the opportunity to rebuild the juice supplies or cleanse my palate.
I wasn't planning on watching it, but had a stream on in the background that switched over to it. It looks like there's some fun stuff in there and the C21 generals look interesting enough (UG is goodstuff-y in a different way than card draw + ramp this time at least).
I get running low on excitement, though. The last year or two have been nonstop new products and there's a chance you're not even getting a chance to play with one thing before the next one is being pushed.
Re: [Off-Topic] Community Chat Thread
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 6:21 pm
by Hermes_
@Krishnath @SocorroTortoise So, last night before finally falling asleep, I realized that I was getting mad at the wrong people. It's not the miners fault,they are just another group who are wanting the same items. It's the folks who are using the bots to scoop up the limited stock here in the US and others places were it's allowed that I should be angry at. I looked at ebay the other day and some of the listings had boxes filled with the GPUs.
I know some sites like Newegg are attempting to curtail the behavior.
On a different topic, I need some honest no BS reponses, i'm torn in two, my brain wants to give up and start over, my heart says keeps going. So I need some eyes to look t what i've written and tell me what you think:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jFa ... sp=sharing
Re: [Off-Topic] Community Chat Thread
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 7:11 pm
by Lifeless
The spoiler fatigue is real. I know literally every release must be geared towards EDH now but I'm pretty worn out.
Re: [Off-Topic] Community Chat Thread
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 7:29 pm
by cryogen
Hermes_ wrote: ↑3 years ago
cryogen wrote: ↑3 years ago
Yes. Just not for very long.
I retired before the new PT test went into effect, so all I did was push-ups, sit-ups, and a two mile run. Never did a leg tuck in my life, and I would probably injure myself trying.
So,what you're saying is you're out of shape?
Calling me out of shape implies that I was in shape at one point. I just kind of exist.
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I also have spoiler fatigue and haven't even processed Kaldheim yet. Luckily I could completely ignore TSR. But be sure to check out the site on the 30th. We have another preview card, so please please please give the article a click to help get us good view count numbers.
I obviously can't say anything about what is being previewed, but I've seen the draft of the article and the author did a really good job with it.
Re: [Off-Topic] Community Chat Thread
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 8:01 pm
by Sanity_Eclipse
cryogen wrote: ↑3 years ago
Calling me out of shape implies that I was in shape at one point. I just kind of exist.
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I also have spoiler fatigue and haven't even processed Kaldheim yet. Luckily I could completely ignore TSR. But be sure to check out the site on the 30th. We have another preview card, so please please please give the article a click to help get us good view count numbers.
I obviously can't say anything about what is being previewed, but I've seen the draft of the article and the author did a really good job with it.
:laugh: I feel that reply. (sips the amber nectar)
= = =
Fatigue be real, overall. At the moment I'm turning towards Magic a bit as something... to do?... theorize? with my free time. My work days since Sept./Oct. have consisted of getting up at 0330, clocking in at 0430, and working until at least 1500 and potentially up to 1700, coming home, showering, eating, and putting something on to fall asleep to, basically.
Appreciated some reprints/updates in TSR, KHM was cool and I've mostly put together a couple decks from there plus other things I just wanted, Strixhaven is interesting enough so far I suppose. I definitely figured Liliana as being Witherbloom, premptively. And that Japanese Time Warp is utterly stellar artwork.
[shrug]
Re: [Off-Topic] Community Chat Thread
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:36 am
by JWK
I can definitely relate to spoiler fatigue. I have barely started incorporating Commander Legends and Kaldheim cards into existing decks or building new ones featuring cards from those sets, and now we have a new set with a whole lot of cool-looking stuff, plus five new Commander decks. I have looked at the spoilers multiple times, but most of it just isn't sticking yet, other than that I know I want a bunch of copies of the guy that draws you a card whenever you cast an instant or sorcery.
Re: [Off-Topic] Community Chat Thread
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:50 am
by RxPhantom
I count myself among the fatigued. I'm still putting together a
Ghen, Arcanum Weaver deck. Zendikar Rising and Kaldheim were unexciting, I really liked TSR, and while the mechanics in Strixhaven look cool, I'm just too burnt out by the hype machine to care at this point.
Re: [Off-Topic] Community Chat Thread
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 3:21 am
by toctheyounger
Same boat. I can't get into the LGS enough to pick up the pieces from every set that I'd want, so I'm ok to let it slide. It's clear this pace isn't going to abate. If anything it's really just encouraging me to be judicious with how I spend my MtG money. And at this point it's mostly on singles, which I'm ok with.