Re: Much Ado About Arcane Signet, or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Fellwar Stone
Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:18 pm
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+1.cryogen wrote: ↑4 years agoMy point is that it's low usage is because it has such a high price tag, so any attempt at arguing player behaviour or trends has to take that into account.
I agree with you that Fellwar Stone should see more play, similar to Reflecting Pool vs Command Tower. Likely people are irrationally turned off because FS can shut you off from a color.
Not a chance. fellwar stone is at 14% and mind stone at 16%. you straight up add that together it's not even half of command tower and sol ring is even higher (76%).
Eh. Fellwar stone is definitely not a substitute. But signets, talismans, and mana myrs are (as well as rampant growth variants in green). As are 2 CMC mana dorks, sapphire medallion, etc. Things that offer real advantages in different angles.Sinis wrote: ↑4 years ago
But, all this means is that we should be running Fellwar Stone and Arcane Signet ahead of other two-mana rocks that lack utility (like Signets). I would argue Fellwar Stone is not a substitute because you want to run the best two-mana rocks, and Arcane Signet is either first or second in that category. The rock that should be getting chucked is probably something like Coldsteel Heart.
I think the problem here is that you're only playing 4 rocks. The deck I am most sure an Arcane Signet will end up in for me is The Scarab God.
Right. I made this exact point in my reply on Page 1:cryogen wrote: ↑4 years agoI remember way back in 2010 when Sol Ring was only played in 14% of the decks. It's weird how reprinting the %$#% out of it made it accessible enough that everyone could run them in any deck they wanted to.
Let's revisit this hypothetical when LGS' aren't rationing the brawl decks to one per customer like mine was.
Adding that if there was another format looking to buy up all those decks for some reason for Legacy cards or to flip them, the first Commander decks would surely have had many of the supply problems we have today. But wait! That did happen! When they printed True-Name Nemesis two years later in 2013 and everyone bought up the Jeleva decks to flip them.Had Commander had the demand that it does now back in 2011 when they printed the first Commander precons, there'd be very similar outrage and hyperbole about Sol Ring due to it not having been printed since Summer Magic sans a small handful of FTV and Judge Promos in circulation - the supply wouldn't have been there to match today's demand. But here we are years later with Sol Rings coming out of our ears because WotC know it's a staple. Given enough time and demand, we'll get more Arcane Signets in other places. We're sure to get another round of Brawl decks considering how well they've sold.
Obviously low print run is part of the problem, but I don't think it would be a cheap card regardless, because at the end of the day you still only get one per deck, and there are a lot more people that want the signet than want any of the other cards in the decks (although the shock lands help). I think we'd see the prices for the commanders and most of the other new cards crater, and shocks take a significant dip, but I doubt arcane signet would ever get below 5. It'll take a printing in a commander product to do that, I suspect.cryogen wrote: ↑4 years agoI remember way back in 2010 when Sol Ring was only played in 14% of the decks. It's weird how reprinting the %$#% out of it made it accessible enough that everyone could run them in any deck they wanted to.
Let's revisit this hypothetical when LGS' aren't rationing the brawl decks to one per customer like mine was.
I guess it depends on how big this second print run will be in November. I think you're right about it settling at $5, with the only other variable being the amount being opened in collector's boosters, which probably won't add too much to the supply.DirkGently wrote: ↑4 years agoObviously low print run is part of the problem, but I don't think it would be a cheap card regardless, because at the end of the day you still only get one per deck, and there are a lot more people that want the signet than want any of the other cards in the decks (although the shock lands help). I think we'd see the prices for the commanders and most of the other new cards crater, and shocks take a significant dip, but I doubt arcane signet would ever get below 5. It'll take a printing in a commander product to do that, I suspect.cryogen wrote: ↑4 years agoI remember way back in 2010 when Sol Ring was only played in 14% of the decks. It's weird how reprinting the %$#% out of it made it accessible enough that everyone could run them in any deck they wanted to.
Let's revisit this hypothetical when LGS' aren't rationing the brawl decks to one per customer like mine was.
Just quoting this here so the fact that you just admitted to theft is saved for posterity.Cow31337Killer wrote: ↑4 years agoIm glad I didn't have to spend money on Arcane Signet. Some guy left his cards on the table while he went to use the bathroom, so I got a full playset for free!
I want my cards back! (As soon as I'm done wiping.)Cow31337Killer wrote: ↑4 years agoIm glad I didn't have to spend money on Arcane Signet. Some guy left his cards on the table while he went to use the bathroom, so I got a full playset for free!
Morganelefay wrote: ↑4 years agoJust quoting this here so the fact that you just admitted to theft is saved for posterity.Cow31337Killer wrote: ↑4 years agoIm glad I didn't have to spend money on Arcane Signet. Some guy left his cards on the table while he went to use the bathroom, so I got a full playset for free!
That's why I put it in scare quotes. Officially, there is no MSRP, but Wizards still charges distributors a certain price, and those distributors charge stores a price. So there's a price out there. We're just not allowed to see it. So, as I explained in the OP, MSRP is basically set by Wal-Mart and Target, with the obvious exception of sets/items that aren't sold there. In those cases, it's the Wild West and people can charge whatever they want.Gashnaw wrote: ↑4 years agoHow did you get an MSRP? WotC is not revealing MSRPs anymore. (Unless you work at a store)
Anyway I feel the 15 (cdn) dollar price tag is a bit steep. But no regrets when I buy my deck for 30 cdn (about 23 US) and get my 30 bucks back with just two cards and have more money in it. If I sell every card, I will make my deck back and then some.
It really is not so bad. Arcane signet is a staple for sure. I should grab a second. Either it will be a card for Mana accel or increase greatly in value.
Reflecting Pool isn't the card you're looking for; it's just like Meteor Crater, only good. (Nothing good came from Meteor Crater. All Reflecting Pool needs is one five-color land like City of Brass or Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx or Forbidden Orchard or Cavern of Souls or Vivids.)cryogen wrote: ↑4 years agoMy point is that it's low usage is because it has such a high price tag, so any attempt at arguing player behaviour or trends has to take that into account.
I agree with you that Fellwar Stone should see more play, similar to Reflecting Pool vs Command Tower. Likely people are irrationally turned off because FS can shut you off from a color.