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Great :/Hawk wrote: ↑3 years agoThere was a leak a week ago, and so far every single part of that leak has proven correct (the artist and set number for Lotus Cobra's reprint; the existence of Taborax). That same leak declared we'd be getting a reprint of Apostle. So yeah, brace yourself - Shadowborn Apostle Winter is Coming.
I would probably say that 1-2 creatures isn't a good enough hit offhand. I think assuming 3-4+ creatures is a bit of a stretch so my quick thought is probably not. If it cost one mana or had better expected results it could be different but as is a 2/1 for isn't very exciting and I would expect it to probably not be optimal in a more tuned list.NZB2323 wrote: ↑3 years agoIs Malakir Blood-Priest worth it in Edgar Markov? Vampires can have their own party. He already counts as a cleric.
I think the bar for Vampires is pretty high for Eddy boy. You listed 14 creatures but only 10 distinct creature cards. Most tuned Vampire decks are only going to run a smattering more additional Rogues, Warriors, and Wizards (Mirror Entity, Bloodlord of Vaasgoth, Bloodline Necromancer, Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet, Bloodthirsty Aerialist). The hit-rate is thus going to be 1-2 most of the time. The majority of Vamps for Vamp tribal are Shamans, Knights, and Soldiers and sadly they don't fill a party well. If Edgar's tokens were Vampire Rogues or Vampire Warriors I'd say maybe, but as it stands I don't think most tuned lists will be interested in this over something like Blood Seeker, Vampire Hexmage, or Olivia's Bloodsworn in the 2-drop slot.NZB2323 wrote: ↑3 years agoIs Malakir Blood-Priest worth it in Edgar Markov? Vampires can have their own party. He already counts as a cleric.
Warriors: Rouges:Wizards:
Source: https://mashable.com/article/magic-the- ... urope=true"Zendikar Rising has MDFCs that are also a creature, another land, an instant, or a sorcery," said Rosewater via email. Further card type combinations will be revealed in the next two premier sets, Kaldheim and Strixhaven, which will include modular double-faced cards as well.
I think this says they will try other card type combinations, such as creature/instant or artefact/sorcery.BounceBurnBuff wrote: ↑3 years agoSource: https://mashable.com/article/magic-the- ... urope=true"Zendikar Rising has MDFCs that are also a creature, another land, an instant, or a sorcery," said Rosewater via email. Further card type combinations will be revealed in the next two premier sets, Kaldheim and Strixhaven, which will include modular double-faced cards as well.
So it looks like this will be a thing going forward. Not sure how I feel about it as the land names are going to be relatively confusing to remember at first.
kick for 0 to grab mana crypt!UnfulfilledDesires wrote: ↑3 years agoThieving Skydiver is an instant staple. It's not necessarily better than Dack Fayden, but easier to cast & rewards creature synergies. Expect to see this lil Merfolk steal Sol Rings a lot.
X can't be 0, so you have to kick it for at least 1 to steal a Crypt. That's still fine, of course.Dunharrow wrote: ↑3 years agokick for 0 to grab mana crypt!UnfulfilledDesires wrote: ↑3 years agoThieving Skydiver is an instant staple. It's not necessarily better than Dack Fayden, but easier to cast & rewards creature synergies. Expect to see this lil Merfolk steal Sol Rings a lot.
This doesn't work work because Moraug specifies "if it's your main phase" & the Sword trigger happens in the declare attackers step.BeneTleilax wrote: ↑3 years agoHe goes off with Sword of the Animist . Not technically infinite, but N extra attacks where N is the the number of basics in your deck.
Exactly. Uro doesn't work for the same reason.UnfulfilledDesires wrote: ↑3 years agoThis doesn't work work because Moraug specifies "if it's your main phase" & the Sword trigger happens in the declare attackers step.BeneTleilax wrote: ↑3 years agoHe goes off with Sword of the Animist . Not technically infinite, but N extra attacks where N is the the number of basics in your deck.
Boundless Realms + this guy should end a whole lot of games. Heck, with a moderately good board state,Skyshroud Claim or playing and breaking a fetch with this guy in play should end a fair number of games.Airi wrote: ↑3 years agoI could literally cry over Moraug, Fury of Akoum. It's been a while since there's been much excitement in the world of mono-red warriors.
Yeah, definitely want a copy for Purph 2.0. Lovisa must be very excited.Airi wrote: ↑3 years agoI could literally cry over Moraug, Fury of Akoum. It's been a while since there's been much excitement in the world of mono-red warriors.
Nope because the untap doesn't happen until combat.MAGUSZANIN wrote: ↑3 years agoExactly. Uro doesn't work for the same reason.
That said, you untap your creatures each time he triggers, so as long as you can get another land into play with those untapped creatures, you can still go infinite. Or "infinite" I guess, since infinite combats is not actually that amazing.
ISBPathfinder wrote: ↑4 years agoSo, I think a valid way to play Deathbellow War Cry is a mono red output effect.
My first thought is to tutor:
Neheb, the Eternal + Fanatic of Mogis - Immediately I see this would be 3 damage to each opponent which likely net generates you mana for the turn and its only 2/4 of the minotaurs.
The other minotaurs that stand out to make this hit harder would be:
Sooooooooo if you tutor for Neheb, the Eternal + Fanatic of Mogis + Neheb, Dreadhorde Champion + Glint-Horn Buccaneer its 7 devotion to red off of JUST that effect meaning you might be outputing 21 damage and making that much mana assuming ZERO other board presence. Beyond this, if you have haste for your creatures this all goes just completely through the roof.
- Neheb, Dreadhorde Champion - reasonable body with some filtering.
- Glint-Horn Buccaneer - The big advantage I see is working well with Neheb, Dreadhorde Champion. If you tag those two together and then add Neheb, the Eternal to the mix you get a bunch of damage AND mana AND filtering.
So....... that wasn't short but ultimately I think the weakness of the above is that I really couldn't come up with a 5th or 6th target. Really I was getting like two reasonable threats and two that situationally might be ok especially in a deck like Chainer 2.0. With the release of Moraug, Fury of Akoum, that is another VERY powerful target for this setup and it expands the package in a meaningful way. I was afraid that the next adds would have to be something like Taurean Mauler and that just didn't feel like I could justify it.ISBPathfinder wrote: ↑4 years agoThe commander who actually comes to mind for me is Chainer, Nightmare Adept.PrimevalCommander wrote: ↑4 years agoAbove post is actually really cool and a solid way to play this card. Each of those Minotaurs aren't dead cards by themselves anyway.
Although one of the Neheb's is likely to be your commander, guess that means you get more devotion and another mono-red Minotaur to tutor.
Neheb 1.0 + Fanatic of Mogis + high devotion is solid mana generation for big burn spell as well.
I'm not sure how the filtering works since you don't get Neheb mana until after your attack phase and Glint-Horn has to be attacking. Still cool.
Chainer has natural synergy with Glint-Horn Buccaneer, Neheb, Dreadhorde Champion, and Neheb, the Eternal in that you can use Chainer to give haste from hand. Beyond that filtering is probably relevant with a reanimator commander and if you do cast Deathbellow War Cry, Chainer gives them haste with his passive ability.
Also, if you get a sac outlet you could sac and then chainer rez Fanatic of Mogis post combat from the mana Neheb, the Eternal makes.
The optimal play might look a little like:
I am not saying everyone is dead by this point because its not likely to take full hp opponents out but.... its likely that some players will have lost at least half of their life assuming you could send the attackers somewhere. If you do have a sac outlet though its likely that you loop Fanatic of Mogis off of Chainer for another hit of 8 to each opponent. This card is sort of like insurrection in my mind but instead of relying on opponents to have a board it builds one for you. It requires a little bit of space for the package but its only 5-7 cards. Its not like Taurean Mauler is the worst backup creature ever to run assuming you want a little bit of space for when you draw some of them.
- Chainer, Nightmare Adept in play.
- Cast Deathbellow War Cry getting Neheb, the Eternal + Fanatic of Mogis + Neheb, Dreadhorde Champion + Glint-Horn Buccaneer dealing 8 damage to each opponent.
- Attack opponents with up to 20 power of creatures.
- Assuming you can make Neheb, Dreadhorde Champion connect, cycle 4-7+ cards doing another 4-7+ damage to each opponent.
- Generate...... 40-80 red mana.
I do however think that this card / package could be solid to test in anything that cares about cycling or granting haste though. The fact that Chainer, Nightmare Adept has access to black tutors and a discard outlet for minotaurs I might not want to have drawn gives it a little more credence in my mind.
EDIT: Xenagos, God of Revels could also possibly be fun. Using Xenagos you could have a 10/9 hasting tramply Neheb, Dreadhorde Champion. I don't think its quite as potent as Chainer but also reasonable. Its also a fast way to be able to attack with Xenagos as it powers him right past his devotion barrier.
You have no idea. 😭toctheyounger wrote: ↑3 years agoYeah, definitely want a copy for Purph 2.0. Lovisa must be very excited.Airi wrote: ↑3 years agoI could literally cry over Moraug, Fury of Akoum. It's been a while since there's been much excitement in the world of mono-red warriors.
I haven't looked over your list recently but Kargan Intimidator seems like a neat trick your deck could use too.Airi wrote: ↑3 years agoYou have no idea. 😭toctheyounger wrote: ↑3 years agoYeah, definitely want a copy for Purph 2.0. Lovisa must be very excited.Airi wrote: ↑3 years agoI could literally cry over Moraug, Fury of Akoum. It's been a while since there's been much excitement in the world of mono-red warriors.