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Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Academy Rector
Posted: Wed May 24, 2023 1:38 pm
by void_nothing
Is this the best death trigger ever?
Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Academy Rector
Posted: Wed May 24, 2023 1:46 pm
by hyalopterouslemur
The rares for the first two Urza's Destiny packs I cracked were this and
Yawgmoth's Bargain. I still missed that Urza block was an enchantment theme, but I did get that it was a "development doesn't exist" theme.
Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Academy Rector
Posted: Wed May 24, 2023 2:46 pm
by pokken
I love
Academy Rector a lot, but I love eating it with
Scavenging Ooze and then having to explain that rule more than I love rector. It was a really beautifully designed trigger and card, managing to be basically the best part of all powerful triggers; it has a ton of attack surface, it's powerful, it's fairly costed.
There is a lot of tension with this effect; it wants enough enchantments to have options, but it struggles with an enchantment deck to find enough sac outlets since there aren't very many good ones in enchantments (only a handful). So you wind up having to sweep it or something, but then that catches up your enchantresses potentially.
You can't just bank on someone attacking you with a non-evasive creature, but sometimes that helps too, so that's another fun angle--if you attack me, I'm tutoring up a sweet enchantment.
My favorite thing about rector honestly is the intricacies of building a deck to use it. It's not an incredibly easy card to use, and its mana cost kinda pushes the bounds of how good it is. It's too intricate to be a CEDH card unless your commander is a sac outlet somehow, so that's also nice.
And the things you can get with enchantments are *usually* just very strong, not game ending (even
Omniscience is not guaranteed W)
All in all, a really elegant card.
Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Academy Rector
Posted: Wed May 24, 2023 2:54 pm
by RedCheese
Screw you Reserve List
Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Academy Rector
Posted: Wed May 24, 2023 3:39 pm
by Sinis
I think this only really became silly when Omniscience was printed. If you look at what's available in the pool of silly stuff you can tutor into play before M13, it's actually not that deep and arguably not worth it.
pokken wrote: ↑1 year ago
There is a lot of tension with this effect; it wants enough enchantments to have options, but it struggles with an enchantment deck to find enough sac outlets since there aren't very many good ones in enchantments (only a handful). So you wind up having to sweep it or something, but then that catches up your enchantresses potentially.
I feel like this card doesn't necessarily want to be in an enchantress deck. I think I'd be fine to play it in any deck that was playing Omniscience, even if Omniscience is the only enchantment in the deck. The dearth of enchantment sac outlets is hardly a barrier, IMO.
Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Academy Rector
Posted: Wed May 24, 2023 3:42 pm
by NZB2323
I love
Academy Rector for my
Tymna the Weaver//
Ravos, Soultender cleric tribal deck.
The best enchantments for me to grab are
True Conviction,
Black Market Connections,
Smothering Tithe,
Grave Pact, and
Legion Loyalty.
For sacrifice outlets I have
Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim,
Yawgmoth, Thran Physician,
Shadow-Rite Priest,
Diabolic Intent,
Pyre of Heroes,
Starlit Sanctum, and
Phyrexian Tower.
For
Pyre of Heroes I'm grabbing
Battletide Alchemist and for
Shadow-Rite Priest I'm grabbing
Skemfar Shadowsage.
I also run
Arena Rector, and the best planeswalker to get is
Sorin Markov.
Cards like
Rotlung Reanimator and
Elas il-Kor, Sadistic Pilgrim go well with the sacrifice subtheme, and most creatures(not the rectors), I can get back with
Ravos, Soultender.
I also ran
Academy Rector in a
Ghen, Arcanum Weaver deck, but that deck didn't have as many creature sacrifice outlets, and it could already cheat enchantments into play with Ghen. For the Ghen deck the best cards to grab were
Captive Audience or
Overwhelming Splendor.
Academy Rector is also great with
Thalia and The Gitrog Monster and can be used to get an
Eldrazi Conscription to have a 14/14 first strike, death touch, trample Human Frog Eldrazi Horror with Annihilator 2 commander.
Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Academy Rector
Posted: Wed May 24, 2023 3:49 pm
by pokken
Sinis wrote: ↑1 year ago
I feel like this card doesn't necessarily want to be in an enchantress deck. I think I'd be fine to play it in any deck that was playing Omniscience, even if Omniscience is the only enchantment in the deck. The dearth of enchantment sac outlets is hardly a barrier, IMO.
Yeah I agree it often doesn't want to be in an enchantress deck, but if you *can* it's really nice to fetch
Opalescence /
Parallax Wave or
Enchanted Evening or whatever combo/powerhouse card. Sometimes you can get there with stuff like
Fallen Ideal and
Evolutionary Leap Attrition Circle of Despair or
Martyr's Cause.
That said I think playing it without explicit support is a common mistake that people make. I don't think just jamming it with 1-2 powerhouse targets is a great play, especially if you can't have a high likelihood of sac'ing it.
It's at its best getting
The Meathook Massacre in an aristocrats deck (or
Bastion of Remembrance) -- where you are always going to have a sac outlet.
It's super good in
Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim.
If you're running a ton of destroy sweepers it's fine, but the tension with
Farewell is real
Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Academy Rector
Posted: Wed May 24, 2023 4:04 pm
by NZB2323
pokken wrote: ↑1 year ago
Sinis wrote: ↑1 year ago
I feel like this card doesn't necessarily want to be in an enchantress deck. I think I'd be fine to play it in any deck that was playing Omniscience, even if Omniscience is the only enchantment in the deck. The dearth of enchantment sac outlets is hardly a barrier, IMO.
Yeah I agree it often doesn't want to be in an enchantress deck, but if you *can* it's really nice to fetch
Opalescence /
Parallax Wave or
Enchanted Evening or whatever combo/powerhouse card. Sometimes you can get there with stuff like
Fallen Ideal and
Evolutionary Leap Attrition Circle of Despair or
Martyr's Cause.
That said I think playing it without explicit support is a common mistake that people make. I don't think just jamming it with 1-2 powerhouse targets is a great play, especially if you can't have a high likelihood of sac'ing it.
It's at its best getting
The Meathook Massacre in an aristocrats deck (or
Bastion of Remembrance) -- where you are always going to have a sac outlet.
It's super good in
Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim.
If you're running a ton of destroy sweepers it's fine, but the tension with
Farewell is real
That's why I don't run
Farewell, which is really bad with
Ravos, Soultender. I'll take
Damn,
Winds of Abandon,
Cleansing Nova, and
Austere Command.
For graveyard hate I've got
Bojuka Bog,
Dauthi Voidwalker,
Remorseful Cleric, and now
Jirina, Dauntless General.
And if I need to exile something I've got
Path to Exile,
Swords to Plowshares,
Despark,
Anguished Unmaking,
Deadly Rollick,
Leonin Relic-Warder,
Fiend Hunter,
Banisher Priest, and
Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim.
Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Academy Rector
Posted: Wed May 24, 2023 4:12 pm
by Mookie
The last time I saw
Academy Rector played was in a
Golos, Tireless Pilgrim deck whose entire gameplan was to use Golos to fetch up
Phyrexian Tower as a sac outlet, then Rector into
Omniscience. So.... yeah, yet another reason I'm not sad to see Golos banned.
Beyond that, Academy Rector is a pretty broken card - tutoring stuff into play for free is very abusable. I could see myself considering it for most white decks if not for the price tag / reserved list. The death trigger is a significant limitation, so I probably wouldn't run it without sac outlets or some other plan to kill it. However, if you can make it die consistently, then I think most decks will already have at least one or two good targets for it (and can easily add another if necessary). Omniscience is the card that pushes it over the edge most of the time, but fetching up
Smothering Tithe /
Grave Pact /
Doubling Season / some other key enchantment depending on the board state is still quite strong.
As for alternatives... not many I can think of - tutoring stuff into play for free is a pretty rare effect.
Enlightened Tutor or
Idyllic Tutor are worth consideration, but they have very different play patterns. If you really want to cheat enchantments into play, you'll probably need to run
Ghen, Arcanum Weaver or another reanimation effect.
Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Academy Rector
Posted: Wed May 24, 2023 4:28 pm
by pokken
I used to have a really fun but slow and casual
Athreos, Shroud-Veiled deck that played all the
Animate Dead effects and did various stupid loops with them, some self mill and looting and some hardcasting.
It used
Archon of Falling Stars to cheat huge enchantments into play (and also infinite combo with
Animate Dead and a sac outlet. It was hilarious watching people scoop to getting infinite fogged with
Martyr's Cause lol
In there I used
Academy Rector to fetch up stuff like
Doomwake Giant and
Skybind or
Animate Dead for reanimating stupid orzhov beaters like
Angel of Despair.
Man that was a fun deck! -->
https://deckbox.org/sets/2704665
Probably my favorite rector deck ever since it really synergized while not being absurdly strong
Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Academy Rector
Posted: Wed May 24, 2023 7:28 pm
by ISBPathfinder
Academy Rector is an absolute boss of a card. Its only real issue is that white's access to sac sucks REALLL bad. It often relies on secondary colors of black / red to introduce sac based effects so while its a mono white card the decks that can run it tend to be more multicolored decks with a lot of synergy to sac. I for one (being a ridiculous min maxer) would not play rector without a heavy sac theme to my deck. I don't want to just cast it out and see if it dies naturally I want to make sure I can control its effect.
Side note, I feel REAL awkward needing to point out that this card can be grave hated to stop its effect. I had a real awkward situation where someone could use
Geth, Lord of the Vault in response and I gave a real long pause as I stared him in the eyes asking for responses but proceeded anyways. I did inform him after the game about it but mid game I feel real weird pointing out when someone else should interact but doesn't.
Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Academy Rector
Posted: Wed May 24, 2023 9:38 pm
by materpillar
I got a play set of these way back when and I jam them in a ton of decks. It does a fantastic
Moat impression without owning that card.. I usually am only doing "fair" toolbox things with it. In Chromium I usually find
Ephara, God of the Polis or
True Conviction. I have one in Gishath that finds
Gratuitous Violence. I have great experiences even using it as a tame toolbox without sac outlets.
Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Academy Rector
Posted: Wed May 24, 2023 9:57 pm
by pokken
It feels like it would be super fun in
Zacama, Primal Calamity to find
Nyxbloom Ancient
Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Academy Rector
Posted: Wed May 24, 2023 10:33 pm
by TheAmericanSpirit
ISBPathfinder wrote: ↑1 year ago
Side note, I feel REAL awkward needing to point out that this card can be grave hated to stop its effect. I had a real awkward situation where someone could use
Geth, Lord of the Vault in response and I gave a real long pause as I stared him in the eyes asking for responses but proceeded anyways. I did inform him after the game about it but mid game I feel real weird pointing out when someone else should interact but doesn't.
This is a pretty amusing way to handle that situation. I wonder what the Geth player thought as you stared into his soul while waiting to collect your trigger.
"Oh god, he's looking at me again. Why doesn't he just go get the enchantment already? Does he think I can stifle it? No, that can't be, I'm not in blue... Is there something on my face? There must be something on my face. Oh thank heavens, he's finally searching. Whew, close one."
Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Academy Rector
Posted: Wed May 24, 2023 11:11 pm
by Hermes_
TheAmericanSpirit wrote: ↑1 year ago
ISBPathfinder wrote: ↑1 year ago
Side note, I feel REAL awkward needing to point out that this card can be grave hated to stop its effect. I had a real awkward situation where someone could use
Geth, Lord of the Vault in response and I gave a real long pause as I stared him in the eyes asking for responses but proceeded anyways. I did inform him after the game about it but mid game I feel real weird pointing out when someone else should interact but doesn't.
This is a pretty amusing way to handle that situation. I wonder what the Geth player thought as you stared into his soul while waiting to collect your trigger.
"Oh god, he's looking at me again. Why doesn't he just go get the enchantment already? Does he think I can stifle it? No, that can't be, I'm not in blue... Is there something on my face? There must be something on my face. Oh thank heavens, he's finally searching. Whew, close one."
Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Academy Rector
Posted: Wed May 24, 2023 11:12 pm
by Hermes_
I am very tempted to pull the trigger on a gold bordered one, along with a gold bordered
Replenish
Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Academy Rector
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 12:29 am
by Treamayne
My favorite use for
Academy Rector (which I only pulled off a handful of times) was deploying her (attack or block) with
Sneak Attack. Usually searched for
Debtors' Knell,
True Conviction or
Cathars' Crusade (to be followed by
Rise of the Hobgoblins).
Mardu Aggro Enchantments FTW.
Edit: I should have noted, these shenanigans are on MTGO (cause cheap. . . Rector is < $4)
Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Academy Rector
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 12:54 am
by toctheyounger
Seems super strong, but I wouldn't know. I'd love a copy, but if I ever get one it'll likely be a proxy. It's just out of reach.
Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Academy Rector
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 3:12 am
by DirkGently
One of those cards whose potential fun is ruined by the existence of something miserable and broken. Bleh.
Ha, that's such a good CC.
Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Academy Rector
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 2:08 pm
by Dunharrow
I see I bought my Rector in 2017 for 33$ (Canadian).
I have it in
Karador, Ghost Chieftain where it gets
Martyr's Bond,
Gift of Immortality or
Pattern of Rebirth. Deck plays a ton of sac outlets.
Busted card though.
Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Transcendent Message
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 2:25 pm
by 3drinks
Thursday, May 25th, 2023;
Transcendent Message
Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Transcendent Message
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 2:29 pm
by TheGildedGoose
Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Transcendent Message
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 3:52 pm
by pokken
I don't now what to think about that card, it's fine I guess.
Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Transcendent Message
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 5:10 pm
by 3drinks
pokken wrote: ↑1 year ago
I don't now what to think about that card, it's fine I guess.
Token deck go brrr. Less downside than
Slate of Ancestry to do the thing.
Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Transcendent Message
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 5:43 pm
by Hawk
If you are tribal, this is
Distant Melody and
Kindred Discovery with extra steps and thus not very good.
If you are in the market for an X-spell for a midrangey deck, chances are you'd rather use your creatures for attacking and blocking and
Pull from Tomorrow.
Blue Sun's Zenith, and
Stroke of Genius are better. (Zenith and Stroke are also better for infinite mana builds since you can kill people with them).
So you specifically need to be in a Ux tokens deck to make this good, and even there it seems good not great. But I keep getting the niggling feeling I am underrating this spell a lot?