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Post by kirkusjones » 1 year ago

Aura shards is definitely correct. Although Aura of Silence is probably better than either Thalia. Also on board with nixing Yasharn.

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Post by 3drinks » 1 year ago

Petition to remove Yasharn from the deck (replace with aura shards|inv) yay - 2 nay - 0
Thalia, Heretic Cathar yay - 2 nay - 0
Winged Shepherd yay - 0 nay - 0

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Post by Gentle Giant » 1 year ago

Yay to nixing Yasharn for aura shards
Yay to winged shepherd

To keep the ball rolling on hatebears, I'll propose Collector Ouphe, seeing as we lost our treasure hate with Yasharn and don't really play artifacts.

We might want to consider Recruiter of the Guard too, nice flickerable tutor.
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Post by 3drinks » 1 year ago

I'll yay Collector Ouphe. Wish we could have null rod, but hey maybe someone will call stony silence and karn, great creator.

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Post by Dunharrow » 1 year ago

Yea Winged Shepherd
Yea Collector Ouphe

I nominate Edge of Autumn. It is a decent rampant growth variant that can be used to sac a cycling land in the late game to fuel the Life from the Loam engine. Also, it is a cycling ability that will trigger the astral enchantments.
This might just be one of the best possible decks to play this card.
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Post by Henlock » 1 year ago

yay to Edge of Autumn and Collector Ouphe,
I feel about Winged shepherd the same as I feel with Titanoth Rex, a cuttable yay

I am nominating Repopulate. It is a sneaky piece of graveyard hate we can use on us if needed.

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Post by 3drinks » 1 year ago

A few more confirms. Winged Shepherd and Collector Ouphe make the list. As it's been two days, I'm exercising my executive decision to confirm Thalia, Heretic Cathar from limbo to the deck.

For today's card, I nominate Ashnod's Altar as one of the most central parts of any deck involving creatures, especially creatures that want to stay dead.

I'll yay Repop and Edge of Autumn.

Thalia, Heretic Cathar yay - 2 nay - 0
Winged Shepherd yay - 3 nay - 0
Collector Ouphe yay - 3 nay - 0

Edge of Autumn yay - 2 nay - 0
Repopulate yay - 1 nay - 0
Ashnod's Altar yay - 0 nay - 0

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Post by Legend » 1 year ago

Edge of Autumn Yay. Early ramp or late cycling. Perfect. Especially fun to cycle while tapped out with an Astral enchantment out.
Repopulate Yay. Protect the precious graveyard if necessary or cycle. I used to play this card. Glad to see it again..
Ashnod's Altar Yay. Possible ramp and protection from exile.
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Post by Dunharrow » 1 year ago

Yea repopulate, we need the one-sided GY hate and it is so versatile.

I like Ashnod's Altar, but wonder if we should pair it with Nim Deathmantle. I can't nominate a card yet, but these cards can help fuel 'flickering' Kathril several times in a turn. And actually with Karmic Guide we can get infinite ETBs.

We need the sac outlet for things like Ozolith, so Yea on Altar anyway, but I have been wondering if we want that kind of GY loop to trigger the general multiple times per turn.

Edit: I feel like I am so out of the world of magic, seeing Karmic Guide at a quarter and Nim Deathmantle at 8$. I apparently bought 7 copies of deathmantle 10 years ago, spent less than 6$ total.
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Post by kirkusjones » 1 year ago

Yea Altar, Edge of Autumn and Repopulate. I've gone back and forth on my suggestion for the last couple of days, but I think Dragonlord Dromoka is a worthwhile include. No more critters from me after this, though.

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Post by 3drinks » 1 year ago

Repopulate and Edge of Autumn have been confirmed.

Ashnod's Altar yay - 2 nay - 0
Dragonlord Dromoka yay - 0 nay - 0

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Post by duducrash » 1 year ago

Yay to altar
Yay to Dromoka

I'll nominate Remorseful Cleric . Hatebear that messes with targeted graveyard, has relevant keyword and can be sacced at wil.

There aren't that many indestructible arround so Selfless Spirit will be cool to

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Post by aliciaofthevast » 1 year ago

Yay Dromoka.

I think we need Akroma's Vengeance right?

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Post by 3drinks » 1 year ago

Ashnod's Altar has been confirmed.

I'm hesitant to vote on some of this because do we really need more creatures? Dromoka ends games, I get that, but the cleric dork. Idk, sounds like a better curve smoother when we go back and inevitably cut some chaff from the current monstrosity.

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Post by Dunharrow » 1 year ago

I am going to Yay Dromoka
Yay Remorseful Cleric, we need GY hate. I also like that we can sac it in response to a clone to protect our yard.
Yay Akroma's Vengeance

I am going to nominate Nim Deathmantle. With sac outlets we can trigger Kathril multiple times per turn without needing cycling cards or astral enchantments. It also gives us a 3 card infinite combo with Karmic Guide and Ashnod's Altar.
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Post by 3drinks » 1 year ago

Dragonlord Dromoka yay - 3 nay - 0
Remorseful Cleric yay - 1 nay - 0
Akroma's Vengeance yay - 1 nay - 0
Nim Deathmantle yay - 0 nay - 0
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Post by Dunharrow » 1 year ago

@3drinks Dromoka has 3 yays
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Post by 3drinks » 1 year ago

Dunharrow wrote:
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@3drinks Dromoka has 3 yays
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Post by Ertai Planeswalker » 1 year ago

Getting back to work after holidays surely limits forum time.

I really like this "game" but I really don't understand where this deck is going anymore. I think i'll just lurk this one out and will try to be an active participant for the next deck, hoping that it will be a little more clear in what direction to take it early on.

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Post by Henlock » 1 year ago

Yay to remorswful cleric.

I am naying Akroma's vengeance. It puts our enchantments in harm's way should we need to wipe creatures or artifacts.

I am nominating Sun Titan. It can get our astrals back, has vigilance and ETB for abuse.

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Post by duducrash » 1 year ago

Akroma's Vengeance nay - I'm not sure is good enough in today's EDH, Farewell for example seems imho scaled up the level. Is it for the cycling synergy?
Nim Deathmantle yay
Sun Titan Yay

Yeah, With that many creatures in the yard. recursion seems needed right?

Since 3Drinks mentioned we are too high on creatures already I'll nominate a non-creature.

Tortured Existence is my pick for today. We are really high on creatures so it shouldn't be hard. We get to pick and choose what we put on our yard.and pick back some good cards/cycling to do it again.

EDIT BECAUSE I CAN'T READ : My pick for today is Living Death we are putting everything in the yard, mass reanimation sounds good enough thanks @Henlock

I was debating purposing a Sacrifice/Discard route with symmetrical effects. Like Smallpox Liliana of the Veil Rankle, Master of Pranks . But was not sure its a good route so I think I'd put the idea up for debate. I think discarding/sacrificing hurts us less than it does our opponents. I didn't purpose cards like this because I'm not sure we have the space to put such a suite in the deck. I'm scared that we lose the small focus we have trying to do it all while not commiting to anything
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Post by Henlock » 1 year ago

Tortured existance is already in : )

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Post by Dunharrow » 1 year ago

I like discard in this deck (we have a bit already). Sometimes you just need to discard a Zetalpa from your hand. Or a Caryatid.
That being said, I think instant-speed discard effects are better than sorcery speed symmetrical effects. Discarding Zetalpa before untapping is going to help you dodge hate a lot better.
Most instant-speed discard is on creaturs, but Call the Bloodline could be good.
See what others think. Symmetrical discard would play well with our controlly hatebears.
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Post by 3drinks » 1 year ago

.@Dunharrow is Call the Bloodline your suggestion for the day? It reads like just a thought than an actual suggestion in which case I find a few quirks with it I don't like. The payoff is fine, a lifelink body is reasonable, and it's a fine source to carry some other counters, but I'm not with the limited use and actual mana cost for the effect. I'd think we'd make better use of Putrid Imp or Zombie Infestation since free is pretty good and we're not hindered by times used/turn.

For today's card, I submit; Expunge|usg. Just like Radiant's Judgment, this is a reasonable removal spell we don't mind cycling to slide something.

I was hesitant on yaying anymore creatures, but cleric is a good dork and self sac is strong. So begrudingly I'll yay it, and confirm it. Likewise with nim deathmantle, I think this is good too. Obvious yay for Living Death.

I'm going to nay sun titties right now, but I'd like to revisit it latre on in the post complete phase alongside cards such as Siege Rhino, Thragtusk, Restoration Angel, Selfless Spirit and others. Maybe a gearhulk or two. But right now I think we need to hold off.

Remorseful Cleric yay - 3 nay - 0
Akroma's Vengeance yay - 1 nay - 2
Nim Deathmantle yay - 2 nay - 0
Sun Titan yay - 1 nay - 1
Living Death yay - 1 nay - 0
Expunge|usg yay - 0 nay - 0

Guys. We are at 61 non-land cards right now before these current suggestions are voted in. I do not think this deck is near "game ready" as it sits.


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Post by RxPhantom » 1 year ago

Nay to everything because we have zero ramp.

I nominate Farseek because reasons.
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