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Post by Rithaniel » 1 year ago

Alright, I'm gonna weigh in on this too.

The big topic at hand is subjectivity. Now, this is actually something that you can see in any situation where a person judges anything. Like, in an Olympic diving competition, a situation where objectivity should be valued above all else, one judge might still assign a different score than another judge. This is because of subjective interpretations of the divers performance. This should indicate to you that, even at the highest level, subjectivity is something you wont be able to escape.

On the particular matters we're looking at right now, though, Ryder suggested a revision to the MCC rubric, with the suggested goal of increasing clarity and perhaps objectivity in judging. The issue I see in this is that this arose solely from Ryder's mind, and so this revised rubric is instilled with Ryder's subjective views about how a judging should be performed. So, it wouldn't necessarily increase the measure of objective quality, unless that objective quality is "how well this card aligns with Ryder's opinions." We always need to be aware that our own opinions have a degree of subjectivity in them, even if our end goal is an objective measure.

One particular example from the suggested rubric is that one point was taken away from viability and added to balance. The thought here, I presume, would be that balance is more important than viability, but this is very much a subjective thought. Like, if I were judging a card that was perfectly balanced, but nonviable to the point of comedy, against a card that was entirely viable but had poor balance, why should the balanced card be passed more easily? Regardless of how you answer this (even if you have a very compelling argument and convince me that you are correct), your answer will be tinged by a degree of your opinion. It is far more "objective" to weigh different categories equally, because then you aren't letting potential subjective thoughts invade your evaluation. You're being strict with yourself and making certain that you don't lean one way or another.

But, again, you can't escape subjectivity. Even if we make the rubric such that it should be entirely objective and clear, a judge might interpret things different from another judge. Like, perhaps one judge thinks Spike would be more interested in this design than another judge does. What if one judge understands a design at first glance and another judge takes six readings to parse it? What if a judge feels that a design would warp a format more than another judge does?

Here's the thing: These splits in opinion are good. They indicate to us that we have more to learn. A person's approach to the game should be heard, even if it might not align with our own. We need to be willing to adjust our own thoughts when new ideas are introduced to us. If you make things too rigid or precise, then you kind of close the door to new people.
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Post by bravelion83 » 1 year ago

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On the particular matters we're looking at right now, though, Ryder suggested a revision to the MCC rubric...
Obviously any changes (if any) would be applied only after thorough discussion here and after a trial period, as stated by the guidelines. So it's not "Ryder's rubric", but "the rubric the community agreed upon starting from a thought by Ryder". Ryder, just like any other user, including me and the moderator, doesn't have the power to impose "his own rubric" to the contest. Nobody has that power.
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The thought here, I presume, would be that balance is more important than viability, but this is very much a subjective thought.
Yes, this was said earlier in this discussion, that Balance is more important than Viability, but as the person that's been called the most important in the contest, I'll tell you that I personally don't agree with that. My opinion is that they should be judged in the same way, exactly for the reasons you detail. In my long post yesterday, I said that a card could be unprintable because it's a color pie break, it breaks the rules, or is the wrong rarity (I can't reprint Baneslayer Angel as a common), and those are all Viability reasons. Of course, it could also be unprintable for some Balance issues in some format.

And I will go even further than you: every thought is a subjective one. Every thought is a product of somebody's mind. This is true here and IRL.
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These splits in opinion are good.
I personally agree with most of what you've written, but honestly not with this. And yes, this is absolutely my own subjective thought, exactly how them being good is yours. And neither of us is objectively wrong or right.

But I'll go even further here too: do objective right and wrong even exist? Maybe, or maybe not. I don't know. And anyway, I would not like this discussion to turn into a phylosophical one.
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A person's approach to the game should be heard, even if it might not align with our own
I personally, as a host, have never told a judge: "I don't share your opinion so change it" not even once, and I would never do. On the contrary, having judges who each have their own way to judge is not a problem to me, even though I still think that subjectivity is not desirable.
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Obviously any changes (if any) would be applied only after thorough discussion here and after a trial period, as stated by the guidelines. So it's not "Ryder's rubric", but "the rubric the community agreed upon starting from a thought by Ryder". Ryder, just like any other user, including me and the moderator, doesn't have the power to impose "his own rubric" to the contest. Nobody has that power.
Yeah, no worries, I realize that. I targeted my response at the rubric because I wanted to be precise with what I said and provide a lens to how I feel about and approach these things. The rubric gave me something to talk about.
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I personally agree with most of what you've written, but honestly not with this. And yes, this is absolutely my own subjective thought, exactly how them being good is yours. And neither of us is objectively wrong or right.
Yeah, I agree with the "live and let live" mentality. Perhaps I could expand upon my view, however:

I would actually say that there is a "best option," but it's a goal that's moving about. Even if you pinpoint it in one situation, it will be different in the next situation. The thing about differences in opinion is that they provide more of a "cloud" of viewpoints. If only one viewpoint prevails, then sometimes it will be correct and sometimes it won't. If you have a cloud of viewpoints, then you have a better chance of keeping that mobile "best option" inside that cloud.
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I personally, as a host, have never told a judge: "I don't share your opinion so change it" not even once, and I would never do.
Yeah, I feel we're all on the same page on this one. :grin:
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Post by Ryder » 1 year ago

Let's go through each section together and share thoughts.

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Txmmy/Jxnny/Spike is the classic trio.
Should it be the design goal to please them all? Can focused designs be more rewarded?

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Post by void_nothing » 1 year ago

Ryder wrote:
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Let's go through each section together and share thoughts.

Appeal
Txmmy/Jxnny/Spike is the classic trio.
Should it be the design goal to please them all? Can focused designs be more rewarded?
For this contest? Yes, that should be the goal (in order to get full points in this category, cards pass rounds with 2 or 1 in Appeal all the time because they're, i.e. Txmmy-only cards but are really polished and great designs).

Why? Not because I want to actually penalize making one-psychographic cards, but because it's hard to make a home run appeal card that doesn't fail in some other way, and because I only want to give perfect scores to home runs.
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Post by bravelion83 » 1 year ago

Rithaniel wrote:
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I would actually say that there is a "best option," but it's a goal that's moving about. Even if you pinpoint it in one situation, it will be different in the next situation. The thing about differences in opinion is that they provide more of a "cloud" of viewpoints. If only one viewpoint prevails, then sometimes it will be correct and sometimes it won't. If you have a cloud of viewpoints, then you have a better chance of keeping that mobile "best option" inside that cloud.
@Rithaniel, This is a very interesting thought in my opinion. Thank you. Does a best option even exist?
Ryder wrote:
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Let's go through each section together and share thoughts.

Appeal
Txmmy/Jxnny/Spike is the classic trio.
Should it be the design goal to please them all? Can focused designs be more rewarded?
@Ryder, you choose to begin with the hardest point to discuss in the rubric. I've seen a lot of different opinions since 2010, when I was still a lurker, who would then actively join the community in 2014, and today is apparently the most important person in this contest. All those opinions can essentially be summarized into two schools of thought. One is that Appeal should be about "pleasing them all", for the reasons void_nothing details in the post right above mine. The other is to see which of the three psychographics the card is for and judge in Appeal how fun the card is for its intended psychographic. I don't know which one is right, I only know that it's a debate that's been going on for ten years at least, with no definitive solution. Unfortunately, the odds of solving this issue, of different judges interpreting Appeal in either way, are very low in my opinion. But don't worry, my friend, I haven't given up yet on reaching a common solution. Let's go on! I'm with you in making the discussion go on.

The way I personally judge Appeal? Here you go:

For each psychographic:
• 0: this psychographic just doesn't care about the card.
• 0.5: this psychographic likes the card, but there are some problems.
• 1: this psychographic loves the card and there are no problems.

That gives a base score. After that, I make deductions or increases (usually no more than 0.5) depending on how excited the card makes its intended audience. So yes, I'm trying to take the best of both worlds. Judging each psychographic separately while also keeping into account who the card is for. At least, this is what I try to do with my way of judging Appeal. I don't know if mine is the best way to judge Appeal, but it's the one that I've developed through the years to try to keep into account both aspects, because I see reason in both approaches.
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Post by void_nothing » 1 year ago

My round 2 judgments will come early tomorrow.
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I'll be finished late tomorrow evening. These are taking significantly longer than I anticipated.
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Post by Ryder » 1 year ago

Okay, I don't see any meaningful ways to modify Appeal. What I do believe is that we may add a reminder in the rubric what these T/J/S really care for.
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Now Elegance. I think it's the most vague point. I'll just quote my initial proposition and let's discuss.
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Post by slimytrout » 1 year ago

See, elegance is one of the categories that I think *least* needs a list of itemized deductions, because it's so much a matter of gut instincts: Would players remember what the card actually does, or is it Questing Beast? Do all the elements of the card seem to reinforce each other, or is it Questing Beast? Would all the text actually fit on the card, or is it Questing Beast? Overall, do you look at it and go, "Oh, this makes sense?" or "Wait, what the hell does all this have to do with being hunted by King Arthur?"

If we were going to move to a list of deductions, I especially dislike the deduction for being too focused on one thing -- that might cause a lack of appeal and/or balance, but there's nothing inelegant about, say Flourishing Fox even though it's clearly quite focused.

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Post by bravelion83 » 1 year ago

Again, I'm sorry Ryder, but this is not the way I judge. I build up, I don't deduct down. That's true everywhere except Quality. That's the only area I use deductions. More detailed comments will have to wait because of RL things (read: my moving).

In other news, my judgments have been posted in the round thread. I'm only waiting on Sojourner Dusk to be done and then Round 3 will come, hopefully before Thursday.
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Post by slimytrout » 1 year ago

bravelion83 wrote:
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(more speed equals less detail)
Hopefully less detail doesn't mean none ;) (Seems like you forgot to actually post your judgements and just posted the final scores.)

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Post by void_nothing » 1 year ago

There ARE no judgments in the post though, just scores.

Was that intentional?
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Round 2 is done. It was closer than I thought it would be.
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Post by Ryder » 1 year ago

I would first like to convince you to accept the deduction-based approach. I came to like it, as I considered what the player has to do to earn the points here. The answer is, nothing.

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The above card should score 3/3 in Elegance, wouldn't you agree?

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Post by void_nothing » 1 year ago

No, I don't agree.

An instant or sorcery with no text at all would confuse a lot of people at first blush. It does something so against expectations, and breaks a fundamental expectation, such that it can't be considered a 100% elegant card.
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Post by Ryder » 1 year ago

Huh, you got me here, void. I can't say I totally disagree.

Furthermore, what caught my attention was the word "expectations".
Is Elegance about meeting them then?

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What's this name? I feel like I'm missing something here... and Google doesn't help. The only thing I recognize is the "Ankyl" part that's clearly tied to the Antelope part, but "okapi" for a dinosaur? I can't remember any dinosaur with that name, and as I've already said in the past, I've always been a huge fan of dinosaurs.
Not a big deal, but actually the "Ankyl" is the dinosaur part, as in Ankylosaurus, while Okapi is the name of a member of the Giraffid family, but the previous example of an Okapi in Magic was an Antelope so I used that.

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Post by bravelion83 » 1 year ago

Round 3 is up.

I had forgotten the last step in my judging process. I had it all in a Word file, but I hadn't copied and pasted the judgments from there to here. My bad. I apologize to everyone.
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What's this name? I feel like I'm missing something here... and Google doesn't help. The only thing I recognize is the "Ankyl" part that's clearly tied to the Antelope part, but "okapi" for a dinosaur? I can't remember any dinosaur with that name, and as I've already said in the past, I've always been a huge fan of dinosaurs.
Not a big deal, but actually the "Ankyl" is the dinosaur part, as in Ankylosaurus, while Okapi is the name of a member of the Giraffid family, but the previous example of an Okapi in Magic was an Antelope so I used that.
The ankylosaurus, sure! How could I forgot about it? In the same way that I forgot a card from Guilds of Ravnica, that isn't too far yet. Thank you for explaining.

About Elegance, I agree with void_nothing, that card doesn't deserve a 3/3 at all. To me Elegance is not so much about expectation, but about comprehension complexity and grokkability. That card would just confuse players, especially less experienced ones. "Why did they print a card that literally does nothing?" and they spend more time trying to understand that rather than actually playing. Kinda like when you see One with Nothing for the first time.

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Post by Subject16 » 1 year ago

Do our submissions need to specifically use cycling, or would typecycling qualify?

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Post by Ryder » 1 year ago

Alright, I'll tackle the specific rubric issues now.

Main Challenge shouldn't have 2 points for it. I'd argue it shouldn't have any points awarded for meeting it. Either the card passes the MC or it doesn't (it's a DQ then).

I propose to shift these two points to Balance and Subchallenges (here I propose a variable number of subchallenges, 1 to 3 and dividing the rewards accordingly).

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Post by Ryder » 1 year ago

@Subject16 since this month is about Ikoria, I'd assume the strict version.

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I'm back and in the new house. I'm sorry for the delay but I've spent the last two nights looking for the power cable and the network card in all my boxes that still fill my new room. Without those I obviously couldn't connect to the internet, but now I've finally found them and I can connect. Take a guess in the end where the network card components were? In the box of the challenger deck with Goblin Chainwhirler on it. Ok, going back to work in my room.
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Post by void_nothing » 1 year ago

But the design deadline isn't for almost 8 hours!
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Post by bravelion83 » 1 year ago

In fact I got it wrong. My bad. And we still miss a player. Ok, Leo. Everything's fine.
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