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Post by ktkenshinx » 4 months ago

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Post by The Fluff » 4 months ago

to speculate on prices a bit. What do people think the price of thoughtseize would settle on? Would this be a 30-50 dollar card?
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Post by Mtgthewary » 4 months ago

Sure, but only if it is not reprinted in theros

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Post by RxPhantom » 4 months ago

I see Thoughtseize topping at maybe $35. Theros and Iconic Masters put quite a few copies out into the world. It'll slowly creep up without another reprint. It seems like the best T1 play in the format from what I can tell.

If I had a lot of money and had to choose one card to invest in, it would probably be Jace, Vryn's Prodigy.
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Post by Mtgthewary » 4 months ago

I sold 4 copys thoughtseize and will sell my other 5. I don't need it at this moment, so I take the high money bevore risking a Reprint. I will buy it back after. But it is a risk too, because if theros doesn't Reprint it... Price will jump again a lot

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Post by The Fluff » 4 months ago

Bgx components have all risen in price.

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Post by RxPhantom » 4 months ago

Mtgthewary wrote:
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I sold 4 copys thoughtseize and will sell my other 5. I don't need it at this moment, so I take the high money bevore risking a Reprint. I will buy it back after. But it is a risk too, because if theros doesn't Reprint it... Price will jump again a lot
Don't hold your breath. Maro has indicated several times on his blog that Thoughtsieze warped Standard. I don't see them repeating that mistake. I'm not sure if I feel the same way, but it's not my opinion that influences reprints.
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Bgx components have all risen in price.

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I made a point to get my copies of Blooming Marsh before they get ridiculous. I'm currently tweaking a Soulflayer list that needs them pretty badly. Enemy pairs definitely have a leg up in this format since their fastlands and painlands are available.
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Post by The Fluff » 4 months ago

RxPhantom wrote:
4 months ago
The Fluff wrote:
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Bgx components have all risen in price.

Vraska, Golgari Queen
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I made a point to get my copies of Blooming Marsh before they get ridiculous. I'm currently tweaking a Soulflayer list that needs them pretty badly. Enemy pairs definitely have a leg up in this format since their fastlands and painlands are available.
also got some of them when they were cheaper. Looks like ur and bg fast lands will be among the more expensive lands in this format.
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I sold 4 copys thoughtseize and will sell my other 5. I don't need it at this moment, so I take the high money bevore risking a Reprint. I will buy it back after. But it is a risk too, because if theros doesn't Reprint it... Price will jump again a lot
put on sale, all the thoughtseize that I have yesterday. Hopefully, they get bought before Christmas. :)
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Post by Mtgthewary » 4 months ago

I sold them all now except one. Maybe it is possible too thoughtseize is one of this 121 foil cards of mystery box. Noone knew which cards it includes.

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Post by The Fluff » 4 months ago

Noticed that Nissa, Voice of Zendikar rising in price as well. What could be causing this?
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Post by motleyslayer » 4 months ago

I should probably get a few liliana, the last hope soon but don't know when to get them

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The Fluff wrote:
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Noticed that Nissa, Voice of Zendikar rising in price as well. What could be causing this?
This may clear things up.
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Post by The Fluff » 4 months ago

[mention]RxPhantom[/mention]

thanks for the info. :)
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Post by The Fluff » 2 months ago

the pre-order price of Thassa, Deep Dwelling is almost 20 dollars. Too much.

what do people estimate her price to fall down to once the hype dies down. Is 5-10 dollars a reasonable estimate?
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Post by Arkmer » 2 months ago

Haven't seen this discussion. MaRo responds to a question about new cards being introduced in secret lair and asks people to give their opinions. The response seems to be overwhelmingly against the idea (obviously), but one opinion had some interesting takes; they suggested that Secret Lair be a path to acquire cards from a set not yet released and therefore "new cards" without totally destroying the market with exclusivity.
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Post by The Fluff » 2 months ago

surprised that Treeshaker Chimera is almost 5 dollars for pre-order. I guess prices are inflated when a product is new.
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Post by Arkmer » 2 months ago

I thought it was also only available in the theme boosters that no one wants.
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Post by The Fluff » 2 months ago

ah, so that's why it was labeled as "introductory product" at scg. Oh, well... will just have to wait for the price to drop. I was only going to test it in a semi-casual deck anyway.
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Post by The Fluff » 1 month ago

I wonder if some people are hoarding Damping Sphere?
It's somehow hard to find them online. Was planning to get two for sideboard..
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Post by drmarkb » 1 month ago

Well I have about fifty in paper, does that count as hoarding? It is one of those cards you need of you have multiple decks across multiple formats, was dirt cheap. It was stupidly cheap, and still is, so where is the incentive to trade or sell currently unused copies? In many ways I think it is under priced, and is especially pioneer relevant due to the presence of cards like Lotus Field and Nykthos.

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Post by motleyslayer » 1 month ago

I feel that damping sphere is one of those cards that has always been super hard to find in my area but it's only gotten hard to find with how even more useful it's gotten because of pioneer.

I also wish I kept my supreme verdicts because of how expensive they are now, I had to get a set again

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Post by The Fluff » 1 month ago

Ticked scg with my email.. so they would alert me if ds becomes available again. Well, it's not an immediate need.. since not much pioneer decks in my meta. But it would be nice to have 2 or three copies, for when the time comes I would need it for real.
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