[Official] State of Historic Thread

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Post by ktkenshinx » 9 months ago

Welcome to the State of Historic Thread!

Historically, community members have expressed interest in talking holistically about the challenges and problems facing various formats and Historic is likely no exception. Whether or not Historic has "challenges" or "problems" is up for debate, but what is clear is that people want to talk about all of these issues in one unified setting.

As such, Historic staff have created this thread from the old MTG Salvation/MTG Nexus "State of Modern" versions. You can use this thread to talk about any and all of these varied Historic issues and their intersection. This thread will be heavily moderated, so be sure to read the rules before posting;
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Post by rickster » 8 months ago

Well < SNIP > . The whole point of this format was to appease MTG Arena players into not leaving the system as their cards are worthless after rotation. They' :sleepy: re not even trying to promote it or make it a viable format compared to other ones that don't rotate. < SNIP >

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Post by hoser2 » 7 months ago

The "official" launch period was oddly positive. It seems the introduction of Pioneer and the announcement of evolution of Arena toward Pioneer (I should add a link here) took a lot of the pressure of expectations off.
I was pleased at the cards that were added. Rather than generically powerful cards, it seems to me that they added cards to power niche archetypes. I found that both the launch event and the "Historic Bundle" were unappealing, but not negative. I have a vague recollection that there was a statement that there would be a way to win the "never-in-Arena-Standard" injected cards. The launch event costing gold and providing only card styles could be regarded as an unkept promise, but there have been so many that it didn't seem that upsetting. Without the 2:1 historic wildcard ratio retraction and the choice of cards to be injected, I judge that I can play any deck I want. So I consider the format accessible.
Here is an article presenting one view of the early pillars of the format on MTG Arena Zone. It seems to be relying on early data, but I haven't looked at the data myself, so caveat emptor. It seems like a decent overview. It seems easy to start predicting bans if the format becomes relevant, but this post is already too long.

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Post by motleyslayer » 3 months ago

Tonight was my first time playing Arena in a month and first time ever playing Historic as a format. I bought both anthologies and used a few wild cards to build Sultai midrange, since I had a lot and it came in the anthologies.

I played through bronze and I think the only deck I played against more than once was the Gruul aggro deck. I think I like the way they've handled adding cards to the format but maybe my experience is limited

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Post by idSurge » 1 month ago

Been having a lot of fun with the format, I think its probably (almost certainly) solved, but thats just a symptom of the game right now.

Song of Creation + Runaway Steam-Kin is absolutely hilarious.
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Post by motleyslayer » 4 weeks ago

I think that one thing that could cause the format to be more solved is the fact that it's a Players' Tour format now. That at least will draw more attention to the format

Once we get a few more higher level events the we'll get a more concrete idea of what the best decks in the format are. As for now all we can really rely on for decks are the user submitted decks on goldfish and then various social media/discord channels where people can post what they've been playing

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Post by Guardman » 3 weeks ago

I've been having fun with historic lately. I've only been playing best-of-one, but been doing pretty good only playing Boros and Jeskai Feather w/ main deck Lurrus of the Dream-Den and Alseid of Life's Bounty. Basically it's me preparing myself for when Feather rotates out of standard. On the other hand Lurrus is still broken, and adds a ton of redundacy to the decks, because Lurrus+Alseid is basically the same as Feather+Gods Willing or Fight as One, making your board unkillable.

I like the Boros version a bit more, just because it has a better mana-base, but finding a another two-drop besides Tenth District Legionnaire and two copies of Dreadhorde Arcanist has been a pain. Adanto Vanguard is just kind of bad in too many match-ups. Tocatli Honor Guard is too much of a liability with Uro, Titan of Nature's Wrath running about. And drawing two Dreadhorde Arcanist just feels bad. The spot is currently being filled by Boros Challenger, but it is a spot that is really looking for an upgrade.

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