idSurge wrote: ↑
11 months ago
drmarkb wrote: ↑
11 months ago
The history of MTG?
Not even the best in the history of Modern.
Out of 3000 decks, the most popular white decks (UW and UWx) combine to make.......130 decks.
5 % of the meta. The next white decks are 1% martyr and boggles.
Good metas need to have all the colours in somewhere, preferably in many places. You need to really stop thinking everyone else was enjoying BG x vs Twin as much as you were. It was a pretty garbage year if you did not like those decks or affinity/tron.
White count- 4 % hatebear, 7 % UW control/midrange (8 with Nahiri). The two UR decks alone is the same as the 5% white decks in 2017. Just two bans too.
I know it does not fit in with preferences for Twin, but set Twin aside- just on paper 2017 looks better than 2015. A closer combo-control ratio too, even if aggro is over represented in both.
Nah. I'll stick with 2015, big time. White had its issues, but Nahiri was a flash in the pan, it had zero staying power. The UW deck of 2017, also was not good enough at all.
If you remove Twin and somehow make UR Control playable in 2015 (spoilers, it isnt, hasnt been, and never could have been) I would still take 2015 Magic over the slop they push out today.
2018 was the 2nd best time frame, because we got Big Teferi to actually make Control playable.
Nahiri was just 1 pc of the meta, not sure if you are talking about the deck or card. Obviously I dislike today as much as you do, you will find no argument there, but 2017 vs 2015 us a different story. Modern metas need to look more like 17 than 15, which as I have shown had almost no control outside of Tron and almost no white.
The UW and midrange 2017 deck had a much higher uptake than 2015, you can see the numbers, it was closer to unplayable in 2015 hence lower numbers, and better in 2017. All the stats make 2017 look better, control is a significantly higher pc of the meta than 2015, and yes, I agree control should be there which is why your love of 2015 does not chime with your statements on control. Control was awful in 2015, combo decks were higher than 2017 at control's expense- you can see that from the figures. I guess you got to play control and combo, which brings us back to Twin. I think you enjoyed 2015 because of Twin, and you know the meta was impossible for straight control or disruptive aggro/control like hatebears. I think your metrics for a good meta are more satisfied by 2017, but it did not have Twin, so is less of a fond memory. Understandable.
Of course, Twins' spiritual successors are control combo decks, there are not many in Modern but there are loads in Legacy. I guess Whirza decks are both in Modern, but they are less about the stack. Twin itself was played on the fringes of Legacy, in the rogue section, it was that good.
2018 was not bad at all, I enjoyed the early wild west, but 2018 was not bad. Modern has been flawed a while but not on fire for that long. Or should that be on FIRE.
Food chains summed it up in terms of deck choice, and for some of us deck choice decisions matter as much as in play decisions. I don't ask for much, but a playable white based hatebear deck, in combo with any colour, or a straight non creature prison deck of any sort (you would expect it to be white or black in some form).
I guess Modern is dead in many ways now. Our LGS finished it at FNM, the other one 50 mile away moved it to Cardiff, there were people trying to bring it back here but not many. I give the format three years, one more MH2 next year, and then a quiet retirement eighteen months after if numbers drop and they convince enough players to switch to Pioneer via making the prizes about Pioneer. Pioneer masters or horizons should be the one that swings it, if they make it and it sells well that will be the canary. Right now Modern is more popular because Pioneer is anaemic to older players, all combat and walkers with one combo deck.
They could de register both Leg and Mod as Friday formats, I think we would find a way to go on with Leg, a lot of Legacy is community driven and allowing proxies anyway. Modern does not have the love of its player base. Another year of FIRE will solidify that.