robertleva wrote: ↑
2 years ago
He was criticizing my method of fast headline type of quips. I am defending it as the current norm. You can and should be mad about it being the current norm, but that isn't what he was saying.
In my opinion, any "deep study" logic studies are pointless and don't feel relevant to me because MTG is so dynamic. Why exactly should we arbitrarily discount one persons personal feelings about their own experiences in favor of some meaningless study with arbitrary non repeatable conditions? Would you just dismiss someone's opinion IRL if they didnt have a file folder to back up their words?
This is a forum about speculation and conjecture in the MTG world with a very limited audience, I would hope a place like this would encourage any and all voices on the subject matter. Am I wrong?
You're not wrong about it being the current norm. That's a sad turn on its own, but it is what it is. I will only say two things on this for now. First, just because it's a widely accepted norm, doesn't mean we all have to follow it. Norms can be wrong and unhelpful; we should challenge ones that hurt the society in which the norm is present. Second, I have no issue with speculation, conjecture, and opinion in any Magic setting, here or otherwise. There are some spectacular op-ed pieces with very little evidence to back up their theories, and I'm sure we can all remember amazing arguments in essays, journal articles, books, speeches, etc. where there were only a few statistics/numbers (if any) to back up the core idea. Personal feelings can be powerful drivers of those arguments too. But there's a big difference between that kind of engaging, constructive sharing of opinions and "Im glad some of yall are eating your words" and related opinions. There's a lot of ground in between the kind of pithy one-liners we see on Twitter or Reddit/personal karma hunting and good faith efforts to engage people on an opinion playing field.
It's one thing to do a funny %$#% post for comedy about "Mission accomplished" with a Hogaak ban. I can appreciate some %$#% posting humor as much as the next internet user. But if the conversation stops there or if that just gets repeated as a sufficient argument to take action, then we're in trouble.
Highest MWP at the MC with 56.5%. Nothing too surprising at this point. Karsten Tweeted that he would post the full results tomorrow, which we will all eagerly await.
The last two datapoints we need are the matchup MWP spectrum, which will probably just reinforce the Day 1 picture at this point, and the Modern-only standings by deck, which is almost certainly correlated heavily with MWP.
EDIT: Hey look, more super broken Hogaak stats! Here are the Modern only 7-3 or better standings per a Reddit user:
Hogaak represented 24 of the top 72 decks. It ain't Eldrazi but it also ain't pretty. That represents more overperformance from Day 2 into the 7-3+ bracket (Day 1 at 21%. Day 2 at 24%. 7-3+ at 33%). Now we're just missing the matchup and final MWPs of all decks and we can complete the picture.
If the T8 was Modern standings only, we would have Izzet Phoenix. 1 Hogaak, 1 Jund, and 5 slots open between 8 Hogaaks, 2 Hogaak Dredge, 2 Grixis Urza's, 2 UW Control, 1 Humans, 1 Jund, and 1 Tron.