Tomatotime wrote: ↑
1 year ago
FoodChainGoblins wrote: ↑
1 year ago
believe that a Veil of Summer and Once Upon a Time ban would help Modern, but Modern needs an unban to get more interest from players. We know which unbans draw the most attention and attendance. It's not Green Sun's Zenith, even if that one should be unbanned also. (so everyone that fears Dryad Arbor can cry).
For the sake of argument, what exactly does a Veil + OUaT ban actually change? I'm not saying that Veil shouldn't be banned, but can we actually say that it would fundamentally change which decks are viable and which decks aren't? Would it fundamentally change which archetypes are viable and which aren't?
From my perspective, even though Veil may be a justified ban request, until you get the real roadblocks out of the way, the format isn't actually going to change or progress forward, chief among them being Tron.
Simply to advocate on behalf of underrepresented archetypes, how does Mid Range actually become a consistent and reliable player in the format with Tron in the way? Similar arguments can also be made with Control, although it is certainly a bit more muddled since UW can have a bit more of an even game against Tron and the Veil ban would help Control in particular, but what about other Control decks that don't have the same degree of access to cards like Field of Ruin?
To summarize, the request to ban Veil is totally fine by me, but if we don't look to pre-2019 pain points within the format I myself don't think were actually going to get anywhere. And as the Stoneforge Mystic unban has shown, the spike in interest that an unban causes is always temporary in nature, the unbans don't actually get rid of the underlying problems within the format itself which always inevitably become visible to the general player base after enough time anyways, at which point when Wotc simply doesn't act then interest falls again.
These are small changes that are necessary to work toward increasing Modern's attendance, which would be lovely to me. Perhaps it's not for everyone. I know lots of people that HATE Modern, but I would love to have more players to battle.
Veil of Summer
is just a card that has to be on the mind of anyone who utilizes Thoughtseize effects, Abrupt Decay effects, and countermagic. There are plenty of other reasons not
to play those cards, but Veil is kind of the final nail in the coffin. We don't need this nail. There were already reasons not to play those cards, as they are/were commonly sided out in certain matchups.
Once Upon a Time is just way too efficient for what it does. This card makes a ban of Preordain look like a joke. Blue is much worse at doing this kind of effect than Green. Which, all in all, is pretty terrible because I see it like this. Green is waaaaay above other colors. Blue is second. Black is somewhat close, then Red way down and finally, White, the joke color of Modern. The colors need to be a lot more balanced. There is a reason that Stoneforge Mystic has made a minimal impact in Modern. Once Upon a Time just doesn't have any positive effects, other than helping a lot of decks. We have to remember the decks that it breaks, like Amulet, not the Tier 2 and Tier 3 decks that it bolsters. Faithless Looting
was a card just like this and if you agree with its ban, then the same thing goes for OUaT.
There are a lot of problems is Modern. There is no 1 thing that will solve this. There are no 10
things that will solve this. The first thing to work on are the inconsistencies in the ban list in my opinion. I don't think that there is any "solving Modern's problems" if you avoid inconsistencies on the ban list. There simply are people that won't play a format when "Shock" is banned, but "Lightning Bolt" is deemed "okay." Obviously you cannot appease everyone and that's one of the things that people love the most about Modern, but it doesn't mean you give up completely. Banning something from Tron solves NOTHING in my opinion. Titanshift is much more of a problem for Jund and Control than Tron is. Ask Reid Duke, who commonly beats Tron with Jund, but admits to almost never beating Titanshift, despite obviously "getting (understanding)" the matchup.