Correct! Gitaxian Probe was not really played much, outside of a very small metagame like an FNM or city region perhaps, in Splinter Twin. There really was no reason to. Although at first glance, Twin seems to really care about what you have in your hand so they can jam, there are so many ways to make the game go longer until there is a favorable position to jam. Sometimes jamming the combo early because your opponent will outdraw you later is the correct choice, but Git Probe had more downsides than to just put it in there.True-Name Nemesis wrote: ↑1 year agoWithout wishing to say you're lying, because Twin DID use git probe in earlier iterations.
However, claims like this are very easily fact checked. And Twin variants have mostly moved away from running it in 2015. Maybe you did. But most did not.
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/m ... 3420#paper
On another note, I did notice people overselling the ban by saying that Git Probe was played in every single deck. No, it wasn't. It was not a 4 of in Tron, Burn, or many other decks. I did want to test the card in Bogles since I had a lot of life gain anyway, but I never go through to it and nobody else placed with a Bogles deck with Probe. Okay, I end this tangent...
I think the issue with printing Karn, the Great Creator is that there is literally no upside to printing it in a Standard set. It will see 0 play in Limited. It will see 0 play in Standard. Then, what good is it? Where should it be tested? In Modern, Legacy, and Vintage... I realize that Wizards doesn't test for Modern and that is the huge issue here. That card is not for Standard/Limited. I feel that it is a mistake and could only get worse (or more banworthy to be clear here) with the printing of potentially strong artifacts or artifacts that are particularly good in a specific meta.gkourou wrote: ↑1 year agoWhile i think what you are saying in general is fine, and while Karn was part of their 2019 bad design philosophy, I don't think that's the problem here. Karn exists in Pioneer as well and he is perfectly fine with it. Why? Because we don't have Tron, we don't have artifacts-remnants of the old days that are bad, outdated designs and ultimately the huge cardpool of modern is going to break them in half. Still, I would say Karn is fine, wasn't it there for tron or mox opal to accelerate the card and cast it on turn 3/4.ktkenshinx wrote: ↑1 year agoComplaining about the G Tron Karn Creator lines is fine, as long as we remember this is part of the 2019 design disaster. We can talk about bans regarding Tron, Whirza, or other undesirable top decks, but as long as Wizards continues to create cards like these, we'll just see more broken cards emerge and more ban calls without fixing the underlying problem. Do not let Wizards off the hook for these disastrous decisions by allowing our conversation to be distracted by bans.
Literally, Modern seems to be in large about who is going to slam Karn first here. Now, I am saying Tron needs to be banned, but if there wasn't Tron, Karn would literally be a slower card to play and fetch and play something out. You can play Lattice on 5 or 6 mana, for all I care.
Also, the Urza deck being too good, is forcing everybody that can, to just play Karn, TCG. This could be a kind of a warping effect Urza has on the metagame.
I felt dumb complaining about Karn, the Great Creator when there are issues with Narset, Parter of Veils, Teferi, Time Raveler, and Urza, Lord High Artificer. But I am not going to hold back anymore after seeing the new Urza lists with Karn, TGC.