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Post by Serenade » 1 year ago

Oh, wow, that Cathartic Reunion is so nice. Both versions are. What a terrific card.

That also plays well with our discard-favorable set!
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Post by kirkusjones » 1 year ago

Serenade wrote:
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Oh, wow, that Cathartic Reunion is so nice. Both versions are. What a terrific card.

That also plays well with our discard-favorable set!
Nice? The guy catches the dinosaur in a pokèball and then they give each other hungry eyes. Nothing nice about it. Pure romance.

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Post by Serenade » 1 year ago

A wolfbear being two 2/2s stapled together? I love it.
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Post by Krishnath » 1 year ago

kirkusjones wrote:
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Serenade wrote:
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Oh, wow, that Cathartic Reunion is so nice. Both versions are. What a terrific card.

That also plays well with our discard-favorable set!
Nice? The guy catches the dinosaur in a pokèball and then they give each other hungry eyes. Nothing nice about it. Pure romance.
That's not how I read that "ministory" over those three cards at all.

Guy meets and gets a bond with a wild dinosaurthing. Wild Dinosaurthing gets caught by a wizard who wants to remove it so it doesn't threaten the settlement. Guy reunites with the dinosaurthing in the wild.
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Post by Airi » 1 year ago

I'm hoping there's enough decent mutate cards to make Otrimi, the Ever-Playful work, but we probably won't know until Ikoria is completely out. It's an adorable little murder monster.
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Post by Myllior » 1 year ago

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World, meet Freegate!
I'll have six of these yesterday thank you very much.

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Post by DirkGently » 1 year ago

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I now think the blue one being "Counter target non creature spell" is pretty damn plausible.
Looks like I was right on that one. Although I waffled a lot. Still sorta surprised they went for it, what an insane card.

For all that I'm still not sure it goes into phelddagrif though, surprisingly.

Ooh, lurrus is surprisingly good. First one where I could realistically see a deck that's actually improved by him.

Edit: ah, but only ayli or karlov for commanders do that's a bit limiting. Seems great for both of them though.

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Post by Serenade » 1 year ago

I feel like one of these companions is going to require everything to share a color (green-red would work since it doesn't rely on artifacts as much).

Lurrus saying "permanent" instead of all cards is interesting in that it's not the exact opposite of UG hippo thing.

I just now noticed the kitten nightmare. This card is great! AND I love that Kunoros shuts it down!
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Post by Mr_Webman » 1 year ago

Fierce Guardianship seems insane and I love and hate every bit of it. My Derevi deck will definitely love it.
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Post by Mookie » 1 year ago

Fierce Guardianship does indeed look quite strong. I'm trying to think of decks I have that don't want it, and it's pretty much just Animar (because Primal Surge). Free countermagic is good, and Negate is already pretty playable in the format, so a fail case of paying an extra mana over it isn't that embarassing.

Lurrus of the Dream-Den is adorable. I'll need to wait for the full companion-in-commander rules to be revealed before I render judgment though - I think it was said that the commander counts, but not entirely sure. In which case Teysa would unfortunately be immediately disqualified. Even if that deck weren't, I suspect that cutting pretty much all of my topend still wouldn't be worth it, even if you can still play expensive instants/sorceries. As part of the 99 though... looks very plausible, and at least worth testing. I suspect this is more of a card for other formats (modern/legacy/vintage), but still sweet.

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Post by if4ko » 1 year ago

Out of all the cards to get a better version of in Commander, I did not expect %$#% Force of Negation to be one of them.

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Post by ilovesaprolings » 1 year ago

Mookie wrote:
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Lurrus of the Dream-Den is adorable. I'll need to wait for the full companion-in-commander rules to be revealed before I render judgment though - I think it was said that the commander counts, but not entirely sure. In which case Teysa would unfortunately be immediately disqualified. Even if that deck weren't, I suspect that cutting pretty much all of my topend still wouldn't be worth it, even if you can still play expensive instants/sorceries. As part of the 99 though... looks very plausible, and at least worth testing. I suspect this is more of a card for other formats (modern/legacy/vintage), but still sweet.
I mean... you can just use him as a commander?

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Post by Couver » 1 year ago

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Mookie wrote:
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Lurrus of the Dream-Den is adorable. I'll need to wait for the full companion-in-commander rules to be revealed before I render judgment though - I think it was said that the commander counts, but not entirely sure. In which case Teysa would unfortunately be immediately disqualified. Even if that deck weren't, I suspect that cutting pretty much all of my topend still wouldn't be worth it, even if you can still play expensive instants/sorceries. As part of the 99 though... looks very plausible, and at least worth testing. I suspect this is more of a card for other formats (modern/legacy/vintage), but still sweet.
I mean... you can just use him as a commander?
That's what I was thinking. It seems to be one of the better companions for being a commander. Although the restriction is a little tough. Making me think of orzhov weenies?

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Post by Wallycaine » 1 year ago

Couver wrote:
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ilovesaprolings wrote:
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Mookie wrote:
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Lurrus of the Dream-Den is adorable. I'll need to wait for the full companion-in-commander rules to be revealed before I render judgment though - I think it was said that the commander counts, but not entirely sure. In which case Teysa would unfortunately be immediately disqualified. Even if that deck weren't, I suspect that cutting pretty much all of my topend still wouldn't be worth it, even if you can still play expensive instants/sorceries. As part of the 99 though... looks very plausible, and at least worth testing. I suspect this is more of a card for other formats (modern/legacy/vintage), but still sweet.
I mean... you can just use him as a commander?
That's what I was thinking. It seems to be one of the better companions for being a commander. Although the restriction is a little tough. Making me think of orzhov weenies?
If you make them your commander, then you don't have to follow the restriction, since you're not using their companion rule. Obviously you'd still want to include plenty of targets for their ability, of course, but you can still run some stuff like Sun Titan and the like to synergize.

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Post by Mookie » 1 year ago

Ha, yeah, my first thought was 'can I use this as a companion for my existing Orzhov deck', not 'can I use this in place of my existing Orzhov commander'. Don't think I would make the swap, but Lurrus does look like a fun commander too.

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Post by Kavu Enthusiast » 1 year ago

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Twinning Staff has an impressive number of combos along the lines of Palinchron. For example, Izzet Guildmage plus Manamorphose gets there. I think it's fine & can't wait to build & play with the Staff in the Kalamax, the Stormsire list I'm working on (intended as fringe cEDH). My point is just that the Staff is considerably better than Mirari & Swarm Intelligence.
Don't forget infinite mana with Turnabout, Twinning Staff and 12+ mana between all your lands and rocks! Very efficient combo guys.

It's powerful but I agree you have to put so much into it that the win isn't unfair.

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Post by Kavu Enthusiast » 1 year ago

I skimmed Nethroi, Apex of Death initially and thought he was strong but didn't think about him much until I looked at him again and realized he's pretty nucking futs for Doran Toughness Matters style decks. He's not going to be a house himself on in combat but his mutate ability is going to let you slap almost your entire GY of creatures into play in most Doran deck, or at least an unfair number of them bare minimum.

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Post by ilovesaprolings » 1 year ago

Kavu Enthusiast wrote:
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I skimmed Nethroi, Apex of Death initially and thought he was strong but didn't think about him much until I looked at him again and realized he's pretty nucking futs for Doran Toughness Matters style decks. He's not going to be a house himself on in combat but his mutate ability is going to let you slap almost your entire GY of creatures into play in most Doran deck, or at least an unfair number of them bare minimum.
But how do you plan to repeatedly use mutate?
If you have Doran as commander and only Nethroi as mutate, a single spot removal can ruin your plan

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Post by JoeyB11223 » 1 year ago

Kavu Enthusiast wrote:
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I skimmed Nethroi, Apex of Death initially and thought he was strong but didn't think about him much until I looked at him again and realized he's pretty nucking futs for Doran Toughness Matters style decks. He's not going to be a house himself on in combat but his mutate ability is going to let you slap almost your entire GY of creatures into play in most Doran deck, or at least an unfair number of them bare minimum.
Yeah I'm going to try and find space for it in Doran, not something you want to see early but great later on. I mean feels bad when they wipe after but then you could say that about any situation where you get a lot of bodies in-play.

My only gripe and reason I'd not 100% committed, is it's stats don't gel well, so I'd have to mutate it for the abilities only and keep the stats of the original creature most of the time. I wish for that reason it had been say a 3/7

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ilovesaprolings wrote:
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Kavu Enthusiast wrote:
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I skimmed Nethroi, Apex of Death initially and thought he was strong but didn't think about him much until I looked at him again and realized he's pretty nucking futs for Doran Toughness Matters style decks. He's not going to be a house himself on in combat but his mutate ability is going to let you slap almost your entire GY of creatures into play in most Doran deck, or at least an unfair number of them bare minimum.
But how do you plan to repeatedly use mutate?
If you have Doran as commander and only Nethroi as mutate, a single spot removal can ruin your plan
There might be another creature or two that could play with Doran, but honestly you wouldn't pay 7 Mana for a one sided mass res of your GY and give deathtouch and lifelink to one of your creatures? For the sort of tables you'd play Doran at that's a lot of value. Not to mention there are ways of recurring Nethroi like Phyrexian Reclamation and the deck has a mild passive lifegain and life for cards synergies backing up the toughness matters central theme. Even if he was the only mutate creature in the deck I could use him multiple times in a game.

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Post by DirkGently » 1 year ago

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But how do you plan to repeatedly use mutate?
If you have Doran as commander and only Nethroi as mutate, a single spot removal can ruin your plan
It's still just a solid standalone card. It doesn't HAVE to be repeatable. (or reliable, obviously it is more prone to disruption than, say, living death.

Although, especially as a creature, it'd be pretty easy to recur to hand with phyrexian reclamation or whatever so long as it doesn't get exiled. Or with blinking spirit-type shenanigans.

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Post by darrenhabib » 1 year ago

At first I was really excited about Lurrus of the Dream-Den as an actual build around companion, and then use some partner pairings to get lots of colors.
However, I remembered that your commanders are part of the stipulations as well, which means that you can only have 2 cmc commander.
This means that you can literally only play Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim or Karlov of the Ghost Council.
At that stage its just probably easier to play it as your actual commander.

I'm sure you can build a decent Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim that makes use of the sacrifice to recast stuff.

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Post by DirkGently » 1 year ago

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I'm sure you can build a decent Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim that makes use of the sacrifice to recast stuff.
Yeah it does actually have good synergy with the 2 commanders it works with. Super low-cmc Karlov decks could probably use a tool to refuel out of the CZ (or wherever it is) too. Especially one with lifelink (which also benefits Ayli, whee!).

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Post by ilovesaprolings » 1 year ago

So the sultai decks got (as the new C20 cards):
3 mutates
capricopian
tidal barracuda
boneyard mycodrax... why?
manascape refractor........ why?
dredge the mire....... whyyyyyyyy?

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Post by folding_music » 1 year ago

oh my gawd, manascape refractor is so gorgeous, just slots automatically into anything with a util or rampy mana base, it's like thespian's stage but less of a method actor hee

i want three of that card and I wasn't even gonna buy the sultai deck at all

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