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Post by Sanity_Eclipse » 2 weeks ago

kraus911 wrote:
2 weeks ago
What's the first card that comes to mind for using with Abiding Grace?

I think it says a lot about my play style that I immediately went Spore Frog !!!
Kami of False Hope keeps it mono, for ease of use. Otherwise, these peeps
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Post by Mookie » 2 weeks ago

Some more interesting stuff today....
  • Abiding Grace is super cute. I suspect that MV1 is too limiting for most decks (since it's pretty rare to run more than a handful of 1-drops), but I do like the design.
  • Sanctifier en-Vec is some very powerful gravehate, at least against red and black decks. I'm usually not a fan of color hate, but this looks reasonable.
  • Flame Blitz is narrow, but it also accurately represents what I want to do every time I run into a superfriends deck.
  • Damn is some more excellent design. I'm not sure if I would run it in EDH - I've largely moved away from Wrath of God in my decks in favor of other board wipes. I also don't think I'd run the single-targeted mode, since instant speed is so important for spot removal. However, put the two together and it does have a lot of flexibility, so it's certainly worth consideration.
  • Endurance is a very interesting grave hate option. I've contemplated Loaming Shaman for decks before, and this is pretty much strictly better. Flash makes it a pretty strong surprise, and its mere presence in the format forces people to be a little more cautious with their graveyard shenanigans.
  • Geyadrone Dihada is.... interesting, but probably not an EDH card.
  • Kaldra Compleat is a very interesting option for Stoneforge Mystic packages. I suspect Batterskull is better overall - lifelink is a really nice keyword to grant, and five mana is a lot more affordable than seven - but it's still very cool. Indestructible is also quite nice.
  • Timeless Witness is an interesting alternative to Eternal Witness. The extra mana is very relevant, but eternalizing it in the lategame for another card is sweet.

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Post by Sanity_Eclipse » 2 weeks ago

Mookie wrote:
2 weeks ago
Timeless Witness is an interesting alternative to Eternal Witness. The extra mana is very relevant, but eternalizing it in the lategame for another card is sweet.
According to the half-finished "promo" version, it's E-Wit re-imagined as an Amonkhet initiate, which is at least kinda cool and interesting.
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Post by Venedrex » 2 weeks ago

Geyadrone Dihada is personally entertaining for me because I (and no one will rightfully ever believe me because I didn't post it) had thought it would be cool if a new Sultai mechanic would be Corrupt <number> which would have you put corruption counters on your opponent's permanents. So much for me being ahead of the curve. Now I just hope one day the idea of corruption counters as a major mechanic will be possible with the path being blazed by this new card, instead of just being a one off.

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Post by JovialJovian » 2 weeks ago

Mookie wrote:
2 weeks ago
Timeless Witness is an interesting alternative to Eternal Witness. The extra mana is very relevant, but eternalizing it in the lategame for another card is sweet.
I doubt it will be an alternative, but rather both will be played together

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Post by Cyberium » 2 weeks ago

JWK wrote:
2 weeks ago
Flame Blitz is wonderful anti-planeswalker tech. I like!!
5 damage to every PW each of your turn for R. I don't know, I feel even 3 damage would've been excessive if it happens repeatedly to every PW.

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Post by JWK » 2 weeks ago

Cyberium wrote:
2 weeks ago
JWK wrote:
2 weeks ago
Flame Blitz is wonderful anti-planeswalker tech. I like!!
5 damage to every PW each of your turn for R. I don't know, I feel even 3 damage would've been excessive if it happens repeatedly to every PW.
I have a hard time having much sympathy for superfriends decks that aren't running ample enchantment removal.
I have 68 active EDH decks, with more in progress. I don't consider this a problem. Do you?
I am also one of those barbarians who enjoys winning by turning creatures sideways.

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Post by JovialJovian » 2 weeks ago

JWK wrote:
2 weeks ago
Cyberium wrote:
2 weeks ago
JWK wrote:
2 weeks ago
Flame Blitz is wonderful anti-planeswalker tech. I like!!
5 damage to every PW each of your turn for R. I don't know, I feel even 3 damage would've been excessive if it happens repeatedly to every PW.
I have a hard time having much sympathy for superfriends decks that aren't running ample enchantment removal.
My mono-red Chandrafriends is very sad about this.

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Post by JWK » 2 weeks ago

JovialJovian wrote:
2 weeks ago
JWK wrote:
2 weeks ago
Cyberium wrote:
2 weeks ago


5 damage to every PW each of your turn for R. I don't know, I feel even 3 damage would've been excessive if it happens repeatedly to every PW.
I have a hard time having much sympathy for superfriends decks that aren't running ample enchantment removal.
My mono-red Chandrafriends is very sad about this.
Yeah, my Torbran deck, which has a Chandra subtheme, won't like this much either, and I clearly won't run it there, but I still think it's a great card and I anticipate running it in some decks.
I have 68 active EDH decks, with more in progress. I don't consider this a problem. Do you?
I am also one of those barbarians who enjoys winning by turning creatures sideways.

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Post by Dunadain » 2 weeks ago

Sudden Edict

Take that boggles, lol

In EDH, might be decent, but most decks are still going to prefer the Fleshbag Marauder family.

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Post by Sanity_Eclipse » 2 weeks ago

Dunadain wrote:
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Sudden Edict

Take that boggles, lol

In EDH, might be decent, but most decks are still going to prefer the Fleshbag Marauder family.
At the same time, it's Isochron Scepterable, and with split second, hard to stop.
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Post by Dunadain » 2 weeks ago

Sanity_Eclipse wrote:
2 weeks ago
Dunadain wrote:
2 weeks ago
Sudden Edict

Take that boggles, lol

In EDH, might be decent, but most decks are still going to prefer the Fleshbag Marauder family.

At the same time, it's Isochron Scepterable, and with split second, hard to stop.
Also didn't realize it's target opponent, not each opponent, so meh.

I mean you can Isochron Scepter it, but I feel there are probably way better spells to use.

Definitely send to be a modern card to me.

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Post by Hawk » 2 weeks ago

I love my some split second, but Sudden Edict being only single target means it's probably a no from me dawg (outside of weird decks like Toshiro Umezawa). I don't even run Liliana's Triumph or Mire in Misery overly often these days with how amazing black removal has been the last two years, and I don't think Split Second is good enough to make up for being a single-target edict effect.

Very excited for Abiding Grace. The one-drop dudes abide for sure. Obviously the dream even in color is looping Kami of False Hope and Children of Korlis, but I think plenty of decks will find plenty of value in it. Heliod is excited to try a card that has "bad Ajani's Mantra" as the floor, since the ceiling is being able to save the soul sisters, Serra Ascendant, Weathered Wayfarer, and Mother of Runes from death alongside looping Children and Alseid of Life's Bounty and stuff.

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Post by Guardman » 2 weeks ago

So Titania, Protector of Argoth is getting a reprint, hopefully driving the price down somewhat.

Though, honestly, all I could think of when I saw it was about the person is always complaining that there is no foil version of Titania available. Now there is.

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Post by TheAmericanSpirit » 2 weeks ago

I'd like moderation a lot more if it was symmetrical. As it stands, I can't see a way that this is better than any other 3 MV "draw an extra per turn" arena effect.

And at rare, hoo boy. This is awful.

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Post by Dunadain » 2 weeks ago

TheAmericanSpirit wrote:
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I'd like moderation a lot more if it was symmetrical. As it stands, I can't see a way that this is better than any other 3 MV "draw an extra per turn" arena effect.

And at rare, hoo boy. This is awful.
Yeah, I mean, the obvious place where this is better than Phyrexian Arena is a deck that plays a lot at instant speed, so you can cast + draw multiple cards per turn cycle. Problem is, any UWx deck that's playing at instant speed is a control deck/at least has control elements, and I don't think a little extra card draw is worth losing every counterwar.
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Post by Sanity_Eclipse » 2 weeks ago

Guardman wrote:
2 weeks ago
So Titania, Protector of Argoth is getting a reprint, hopefully driving the price down somewhat.

Though, honestly, all I could think of when I saw it was about the person is always complaining that there is no foil version of Titania available. Now there is.
There's a couple of us. I'm one of them. :grin: :rofl:
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Post by Wallycaine » 2 weeks ago

Dunadain wrote:
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TheAmericanSpirit wrote:
2 weeks ago
I'd like moderation a lot more if it was symmetrical. As it stands, I can't see a way that this is better than any other 3 MV "draw an extra per turn" arena effect.

And at rare, hoo boy. This is awful.
Yeah, I mean, the obvious place where this is better than Phyrexian Arena is a deck that plays a lot at instant speed, so you can cast + draw multiple cards per turn cycle. Problem is, any UWx deck that's playing at instant speed is a control deck/at least has control elements, and I don't think a little extra card draw is worth losing every counterwar.
It's worth remembering that the vast majority of decks don't have access to Phyrexian Arena, especially white blue ones. So the spot it's competing with for those decks is more of the Howling Mine slot. The ideal slot for it is probably a less directly controlling U/W flash deck, where the goal is using other people's turns to deploy threats and answers, not directly countering stuff.

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Post by Hermes_ » 2 weeks ago

I feel like I wanna run moderation in Zedruu and donate it to someone else.....depending on what they are playing.....
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Post by EonAon » 2 weeks ago

This will see play while people test it out but its pretty destined to the junk rare binder. Its just too limiting a card to be overly useful when the cantrip or outright draw options are out there, and if your cantripping your playing multiple cards a turn (usually on a opponents turn) so that your not getting hit by hand disruption.

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Post by JovialJovian » 2 weeks ago

Moderation standing alone is harsh, but white-blue has many options to share the downside with the opponent, thus erasing the imbalance.
Arcane Laboratory, Rule of Law, Deafening Silence, Eidolon of Rhetoric, Archon of Emeria, Ethersworn Canonist, and I'm sure others that haven't sprung to mind.

It's not a toss-into-everything like Phyrexian Arena, that's not the right comparison. It's a bonus to harden an existing controlling position.

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Post by Ruiner » 2 weeks ago

I'm probably going to try Moderation in my Hanna, Ship's Navigator deck. It is rare that I play multiple spells a turn and I'm already running Arcane Laboratory and Rule of Law effects. Seems like it should be worthwhile.

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Post by NZB2323 » 2 weeks ago

Moderation seems like it would be good in an Ephara, God of the Polis deck.
EDH
WUBrg Morophon, the infinite Kavu
Rwb Ghen, Prison Weaver
Rwb Kaalia, Angel tribal
Rwb Edgar, low curve
Wb Tymna/Ravos cleric tribal
Wr Winota, Aggro and Combo
WG Captain Sisay land destruction
Ur Niv-Mizzet, Parun
Ug Edric pauper
Bg Sarulf peasant
B Marrow-Gnawer, rat colony

Pauper
U Delver
B ETB creatures
G elves

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Post by Mookie » 2 weeks ago

Moderation is very interesting. Obviously a very high opportunity cost to be limited to one spell per turn, but that's a lot of potential card draw if you have ways around it. Casting multiple spells per turn is pretty important for most decks, but there are certainly some decks that can work around it. It reminds me a bit of Fires of Invention. Seems best if you have stuff like Quicksilver Amulet or Bruna, Light of Alabaster to cheat things out and advance your board without needing to cast spells. Also better if you have flash effects (such as Raff Capashen, Ship's Mage) tot take advantage of your opponents' turns.

The idea of Sea Drake enabling modern Sea Stompy amuses me. Probably not though.

Strike it Rich is interesting for Storm - I've been wanting a Manamorphose effect for my Mizzix deck, to turn red mana into blue. This isn't particularly efficient at doing so, but banking mana in a treasure for a future turn isn't terrible. Sweet combo with Academy Manufactor.

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Post by Lifeless » 2 weeks ago

Sanity_Eclipse wrote:
2 weeks ago
Guardman wrote:
2 weeks ago
So Titania, Protector of Argoth is getting a reprint, hopefully driving the price down somewhat.

Though, honestly, all I could think of when I saw it was about the person is always complaining that there is no foil version of Titania available. Now there is.
There's a couple of us. I'm one of them. :grin: :rofl:
This is also me! I'm incredibly hyped for a new bordered foil, or any foil for that matter.

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