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Post by BeneTleilax » 3 months ago

Damn feels like a surprisingly sharp criticism of Christian eschatology. Damn one person, and you're evil. Damn everyone, and you're God.
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Post by JWK » 3 months ago

Flame Blitz is wonderful anti-planeswalker tech. I like!!
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Post by BeneTleilax » 3 months ago

As a fan of graveyard decks, I have to say I feel an twinge of schadenfreude when other archetypes get dunked on by overzealous hate cards.
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Post by Crazy Monkey » 3 months ago

"Damn you", and "Damn it all" are turns of phrase that will become much more frequent in my playgroup.

A 1 drop that burn walkers down every turn, on a resilient permanent without requiring attacks. If you play against superfriends often, that's amazing.
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Post by pokken » 3 months ago

The green one is the worst of a cycle :P Endurance

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Post by Lifeless » 3 months ago

Flame Blitz is so rowdy it actually seems like an old school hate card.

At very least you have to appreciate the simplicity of a card called Damn.

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Post by Sanity_Eclipse » 3 months ago

Flame Blitz - Gotta love how it's that same portrayed dude from a lot of the "later" Curse of __ in the Commander decks.

Damn - Don't get me wrong, I like the card. "But it's just WoG with extra steps" as my snarky comment.

Endurance - I mean hey, may be the worst of the cycle, but it's alright. GY Hate lite offensively, and restocks your own deck defensively. in the rest of the set makes up for it lol :rofl:

^ Maybe the one will do a lightning bolt to multiple targets, or a Pyroclasm(+) that hits everything?
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Post by Dunadain » 3 months ago

Endurance

Loaming Shaman is a pretty good piece of tech in my Emiel the Blessed deck, adding flash and an alternate casting cost is great as that deck plays at instant speed a lot, but the ability to only shuffle some things in is also good, I've definitely shuffled everything but Chord of Calling in before or just shuffled in the one card I want to tutor for.

Still, the white one is fantastic for Emiel the Blessed, so even if Endurance isn't worth it I won't complain.

Also I get a third Eternal Witness effect, so things are really looking up for Emiel the Blessed! :parrot:

Edit: also, Damn seems pretty strong, not flashy but a Wreath of Good that can also be spot removal seems pretty great.
Of course, only Orzohv+ can run it so it's not going to replace everyone's Wrath of God, but it's going to replace a lot of them.
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Post by TheGildedGoose » 3 months ago

Goddamnit. I desperately wish this was mono-black with an overload cost of 5 or 6 mv, but oh well.

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Post by Lifeless » 3 months ago

I missed Sanctum Weaver yesterday and it's just perfect for my Sigarda enchantress. Got to love ramp that's this easy to tutor.

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Post by Guardman » 3 months ago

Flame Blitz - Do you not like Planeswalkers? Because we don't. It's such an efficient hate card and has cycling that it probably deserves consideration in any red deck not running more than two or three planeswalkers. Also, side note, but when are we going to get our "Unluckiest Planeswalker" card?

Damn - It is just really good. But my favorite comment is from the thread on Sally "Sorcery speed and possibly the double black and double white in its costs brings Damn down a little bit, but otherwise that is really impressive. " Wizards just gave modern a functionally better Wrath of God and someone is complaining about its casting cost and the fact it is a sorcery. Always reminds of "Wizards could put $100 bills in packs and people would complain about how it was folded".

Endurance - It's the least abusable, but I don't think that makes it the worst. In a lot of ways it is the most functional as it has the cheapest cost, a good body with reach and flash, and an effect that every deck likes to have.

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Post by pokken » 3 months ago

My friends and I had this discussion a few years back about how planeswalkers were getting kind of out of hand, and had a lot of power because of the lack of ways to interact with them.

We predicted that they would eventually start printing insanely overpowered hate cards against them like they did with artifacts/enchantments. And here we are with Flame Blitz. :P

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Post by 5colorsrainbow » 3 months ago

pokken wrote:
3 months ago
My friends and I had this discussion a few years back about how planeswalkers were getting kind of out of hand, and had a lot of power because of the lack of ways to interact with them.
I have never had this issue, just use your creatures.
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Post by Dunadain » 3 months ago

5colorsrainbow wrote:
3 months ago
pokken wrote:
3 months ago
My friends and I had this discussion a few years back about how planeswalkers were getting kind of out of hand, and had a lot of power because of the lack of ways to interact with them.
I have never had this issue, just use your creatures.
People say this all the time and I've found it's often not that simple, smart players won't be spamming PWs down unless they have enough of a board to defend it for at least a couple turns or at least force you to lose something in combat.

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Post by Sporegorger_Dragon » 3 months ago

Guardman wrote:
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Endurance - It's the least abusable, but I don't think that makes it the worst. In a lot of ways it is the most functional as it has the cheapest cost, a good body with reach and flash, and an effect that every deck likes to have.
Honestly I have trouble thinking of a scenario where a monogreen player wouldn't want this in their deck.

I suddenly had a vision of a Dredge player returning Narcomoeba and Creeping Chill to their library in response to opposing graveyard hate.

EDIT: I meant in Modern. I sometimes forget this thread is in the Commander forum.

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Post by 5colorsrainbow » 3 months ago

Dunadain wrote:
3 months ago

People say this all the time and I've found it's often not that simple, smart players won't be spamming PWs down unless they have enough of a board to defend it for at least a couple turns or at least force you to lose something in combat.
And still more intractable than most artifacts, enchantments and lands.

For real I see your point, but also people really act like you can't do anything with planeswalkers when any creatures can likely take it down/keep it from growing and the more people there are I've noticed the less likely for a planeswalker to live past a round.
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Post by pokken » 3 months ago

In modern, having Karmic Guide is going to be amazingly huge for white decks. So many chord of calling shenanigans available. Chord of Calling decks were my favorite in modern, and I imagine that lark combos will be pretty good options for fun times :)

I feel like they are rapidly printing 'no reserve list legacy' into Modern too which is kinda interesting approach.
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For real I see your point, but also people really act like you can't do anything with planeswalkers when any creatures can likely take it down/keep it from growing and the more people there are I've noticed the less likely for a planeswalker to live past a round.
The default with walker decks, because they typically don't care about creatures, is to spend all their energy invalidating interacting with them with creatures. Humility, sweepers galore, Sphere of Safety effects, Peacekeeper, etc.

They don't have to worry much about the spell/permanent angle, so they can just burn all their energy defending from creatures. And they only have to do it for a little while before the emblems start stacking up.

In my experience with my walker heavy decks, all I need to fear are counterspells and mass removal (Hour of Revelation type stuff) in general. But they are starting to print some more focused hate which is nice :)
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Post by Dragoon » 3 months ago

5colorsrainbow wrote:
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And still more intractable than most artifacts, enchantments and lands.

For real I see your point, but also people really act like you can't do anything with planeswalkers when any creatures can likely take it down/keep it from growing and the more people there are I've noticed the less likely for a planeswalker to live past a round.
That's what I tend to see as well, but not every meta is creature-heavy.

Sanctifier en-Vec really pushes me towards building that esper colour control deck I've been thinking about for the past few years.
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Post by Gamazson » 3 months ago

Crazy Monkey wrote:
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"Damn you", and "Damn it all" are turns of phrase that will become much more frequent in my playgroup.
There is no way that wasn't intentional. :rofl:

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Post by 5colorsrainbow » 3 months ago

Guardman wrote:
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Also, side note, but when are we going to get our "Unluckiest Planeswalker" card?
Big this, its the least he could get for all the misfortune he is being put through.
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Post by kirkusjones » 3 months ago

Crazy Monkey wrote:
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"Damn you", and "Damn it all" are turns of phrase that will become much more frequent in my playgroup.
I believe it's "damn you" and "damn youse".

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Post by Sporegorger_Dragon » 3 months ago

5colorsrainbow wrote:
3 months ago
Guardman wrote:
3 months ago
Also, side note, but when are we going to get our "Unluckiest Planeswalker" card?
Big this, its the least he could get for all the misfortune he is being put through.
He gets printed as a creature with "This creature is a planeswalker in all zones except on the battlefield."

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Post by Gamazson » 3 months ago

Sporegorger_Dragon wrote:
3 months ago
5colorsrainbow wrote:
3 months ago
Guardman wrote:
3 months ago
Also, side note, but when are we going to get our "Unluckiest Planeswalker" card?
Big this, its the least he could get for all the misfortune he is being put through.
He gets printed as a creature with "This creature is a planeswalker in all zones except on the battlefield."
So he is a planeswalker without magical abilities that he can consciously control? Latterly a random dude who keeps ending up different with no understanding why? May not even realize he is on different worlds. They need to save him for revisiting plane chase.

"This creature is a planeswalker in all zones except on the battlefield."

"If ~ would become the target of a spell or ability, roll the planar die."

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Post by brainface » 3 months ago

My favorite part about damn is even the most straightforward read is swearing at the overload mechanic for existing. I'm actually sad there can't really be a full cycle of curses so we're going "f#*@#( storm," etc., while just reading our cards straight.

(Also it's dammit and dammit ya'll.)

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Post by kraus911 » 3 months ago

What's the first card that comes to mind for using with Abiding Grace?

I think it says a lot about my play style that I immediately went Spore Frog !!!

Also, reprint of Braids just makes me sad she's still banned. Banned as commander worked fine for certain cards, including this one.

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