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Post by tstorm823 » 3 months ago

Well dangit. I'd been doing so good not exceptionally wanting any cards, and then Ignoble Hierarch shows up to steal a spot in the Jund shaman deck I've been threatening to build for like 5 years.
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Post by BeneTleilax » 3 months ago

Dragon's Rage Channeler seems like very strong card filtering for spellslinger decks, and potentially setting up your graveyard is not nothing.
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Post by umtiger » 3 months ago

Dunadain wrote:
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Imagine trying to be a rules lawyer without realizing that the actual rules prevent doing so in this circumstance. Lol.
Imagine not reading the context before butting into a conversation, lol
Excuse me, but imho, I wasn't butting into anything. Notice that I quote someone else and only the portion about the rules. I didn't know that I had to read posts from other pages in order to reply about rules.

With my comment, I was only aiming to affirm how the rules apply to cards like Pithing Needle in the context of competition.

I apologize for not reading any other previous posts. If there is sarcasm involved, like I said, sorry for not reading any other previous posts.

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Post by bobthefunny » 3 months ago

So... White is not allowed to get effects that are in the color pie of other colors... but then Green is allowed to get a better 2 cost anthem? Sylvan Anthem is pretty ridiculous. The lack of a 'non-token' on the scry effect is absolutely nuts on a 2 cost enchantment.

And then a Yawgmoth's Will as well? Gaea's Will is going to be ridiculous. The suspend 4 is certainly a decent warning clock, but I highly expect this card to be cheated out in a variety of ways as well.

Both of these cards make sense in green, as they are effects that green has... However there is no reason why green should have an anthem that is better and more efficient than White, which is the primary anthem color, or have a Yawgmoth Will effect that broad. Green's Regrowth effects typically require items to be returned to hand - to be cast again in the future - and typically at significant cost for more items...

I am unhappy with this direction.

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Post by Sporegorger_Dragon » 3 months ago

I'm no bomb first pick in a booster draft when it comes to playing Magic, but I do appreciate the informal nature of these supplementary products, and I'm happy to see that the designers are clearly having fun with a lot of these wacky designs.

I can understand why some people that Squirrels are beginning to feel memetic and played out, but these sort of products are the only way new Squirrels can get printed, and this might be their only chance to get a good Squirrel tribal build going; they may not get another chance.

And I appreciate that they finally cemented their secondary color formally in in black-bordered land, since all previous Squirrels were silver-bordered.

Really enjoying the grand tour of the Multiverse too. A little bit of Ravnica, a peek of Alara, etc.

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Post by Gashnaw » 3 months ago

Asmoran whatever the hell that name is is a 27 level name
Antidisestablishmentarianism is 28 letters
You think they could have added two more just to beat it.

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Post by Cyberium » 3 months ago

Gashnaw wrote:
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Asmoran whatever the hell that name is is a 27 level name
Antidisestablishmentarianism is 28 letters
You think they could have added two more just to beat it.
Funny, Antidisestablishmentarianism is about keeping politics and church together, Asmoranomardicadaistinaculdacar is a chef who cooked for demons using other hellish creatures as ingredient. They are quite alike.

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Post by vandertroll » 3 months ago

darrenhabib wrote:
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5 color land destruction is on the table with the indestructible artifact lands. Everybody loves an Armageddon right?
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Post by Dragoon » 3 months ago

EDIT: Calibrated Blast is a variant of Erratic Explosion, but with a reflexive trigger so you can choose the target after seeing the revealed nonland card. That is a nice twist on the card that makes it much more usable, nice !
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Post by JWK » 3 months ago

I love Ignoble Hierarch on every level. Such a win!
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Post by materpillar » 3 months ago

Going to Calibrated Blast some people to death for sure. They're printing all the fun toys for High CMC.
Ignoble Hierarch is going straight into my 1cc Golos Storm deck.

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Post by Wallycaine » 3 months ago

Piru, The Volatile looks interesting. I really like that they managed to make the traditional elder dragon upkeep payment a semi-upside, since you can use it to set off her boardwipe on command.
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Post by Guardman » 3 months ago

Well Academy Manufacturer might just be my favorite card in the set (which is a high feat with all of the squirrels running about). It's going straight into my Toggo Rakdos & Roll deck and really makes me glad that I held off on getting Curse of Opulence for that deck since it is getting so much more treasure focused that I don't think it is a great fit anymore.

The sort of similar "Gift of the Fae" (which is the current translation, but is already a card name, so...) is neat and I really like its hoop and payoff, just not sure where it belongs.

Lonis, Cryptozoologist is another neat card. I really like them exploring clues and acknowledging that they have three evergreen artifact tokens: Food, Clue and Treasure. Now they just need to officially retire Gold and it will be all good. Plus he is a snake, not a Naga, which is a huge plus in my book.

Piru, the Volatile isn't really my thing, but I appreciate finally giving her a card and having it be an homage to the original elder dragons.

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Post by MeowZeDung » 3 months ago

BeneTleilax wrote:
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Dragon's Rage Channeler seems like very strong card filtering for spellslinger decks, and potentially setting up your graveyard is not nothing.
I'm torn on this one. On the one hand, I think Dragon's Rage Channeler on turn one is phenomenal. Turn 2 Signet/talisman or draw spell and you're off to the races. Honestly, I think t1 channeler might match t1 Ponder frequently. Setting up future Underworld Breach and Sevinne's Reclamation nonsense is gravy, and a 3/3 flyer ain't nothing.

On the other hand, surveil is not draw, this uses a creature slot, and it is a poor late game draw a lot of the time.
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Post by JovialJovian » 3 months ago

So the cycle of common landcyclers: Landscaper Colos Mental Journey World-Weary Battle Plan and Orchard Strider.

I appreciate more basic landcycling, the two-color ones from commander 2016 obviously have deckbuilding limitations, and the old mono-colored ones from Conflux are, in my opinion, quite bad. These new ones seem semi-playable, maybe a bit niche in the case of the green one. But am I imagining things, or has white really gotten shafted compared to the other four here?

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Post by Dragoon » 3 months ago

Academy Manufacturer made me giggle, it might be good in Treasure decks (I don't think there's enough Clue or Food support to make dedicated decks)

I like Piru, the Volatile, a good homage to the first cycle of Elder Dragons and an interesting twist on the upkeep cost and its implications. To the dragon pile she goes! Seriously though, that's 4 dragons already (not counting the dragon whelp) and the D&D set comes next, this seems like a very good year for dragons!
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Post by Wallycaine » 3 months ago

JovialJovian wrote:
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So the cycle of common landcyclers: Landscaper Colos Mental Journey World-Weary Battle Plan and Orchard Strider.

I appreciate more basic landcycling, the two-color ones from commander 2016 obviously have deckbuilding limitations, and the old mono-colored ones from Conflux are, in my opinion, quite bad. These new ones seem semi-playable, maybe a bit niche in the case of the green one. But am I imagining things, or has white really gotten shafted compared to the other four here?
In a set with Delerium and Flashback, I think Landscaper Colos will overperform people's expectations in limited. A 4/6 body is a great blocker/attacker for 6, and you'll occasionally get a card's worth of value off your ETB.

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Post by JWK » 3 months ago

On one level, more cool dragons is, well, cool. On another, pretty much version of a dragon deck you might want to actually build as dragon tribal already has more good options available than you can possibly include in one deck. Some of these are good enough they might play a role outside dragon tribal, though, and that's where I get interested.
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Post by 5colorsrainbow » 3 months ago

Wallycaine wrote:
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Piru, The Volatile looks interesting. I really like that they managed to make the traditional elder dragon upkeep payment a semi-upside, since you can use it to set off her boardwipe on command.
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She also has lifelink meaning all the damage dealt is life gain for you as well..
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Academy Manufacturer made me giggle, it might be good in Treasure decks (I don't think there's enough Clue or Food support to make dedicated decks)
I'm trying to brew food, your right not enough cards/supposrt (though this set is really helping) but what makes it work is also putting a focus on artifacts being sacrificed and gaining life.

Academy Manufacturer also is nice as it can give some decks a lil draw and ramp since making measure is very common and I few people who run some clue makers.
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Post by Dragoon » 3 months ago

5colorsrainbow wrote:
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I'm trying to brew food, your right not enough cards/supposrt (though this set is really helping) but what makes it work is also putting a focus on artifacts being sacrificed and gaining life.

Academy Manufacturer also is nice as it can give some decks a lil draw and ramp since making measure is very common and I few people who run some clue makers.
You meant draw and life right? Since you're already making the Treasures. ;)

I know that some Clue cards are played in the format, but I don't think you can run enough of them to justify running this. I'm still brewing a Breya deck looking to maximize the number of artifacts on the field for cards like Broodstar and Cranial Plating, but I don't know if this can fit in it.
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Post by Sporegorger_Dragon » 3 months ago

Wallycaine wrote:
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Piru, The Volatile looks interesting. I really like that they managed to make the traditional elder dragon upkeep payment a semi-upside, since you can use it to set off her boardwipe on command.
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Could it be?! :omg: I actually asked Rosewater on Blogatog a while back about the possibility of wedge Elder Dragons and never received a reply.

Could we be getting a full cycle of wedge Elder Dragons?!!

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Post by Hermes_ » 3 months ago

Wallycaine wrote:
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Piru, The Volatile looks interesting. I really like that they managed to make the traditional elder dragon upkeep payment a semi-upside, since you can use it to set off her boardwipe on command.
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now to figure out which dragon to take out of my dragon deck...
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JWK wrote:
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On one level, more cool dragons is, well, cool. On another, pretty much version of a dragon deck you might want to actually build as dragon tribal already has more good options available than you can possibly include in one deck. Some of these are good enough they might play a role outside dragon tribal, though, and that's where I get interested.
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now to figure out which dragon to take out of my dragon deck...
Just do it like me: a 75 cards shell containing the lands and the support cards, and 25 random dragons taken from a huge pile of them. No more cuts, play all the dragons :P
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Could it be?! :omg: I actually asked Rosewater on Blogatog a while back about the possibility of wedge Elder Dragons and never received a reply.

Could we be getting a full cycle of wedge Elder Dragons?!!
I hope so but I don't think it will be the case. Piru was the sixth Elder Dragon to survive the Elder Dragon wars (she was later killed by Dakkon, exploding in a burst of flames, hence her ability on this card). I don't think other Elder Dragons from that time are particularly known.

EDIT: Apparently, four others have been named (see post below).
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Post by bobthefunny » 3 months ago

Sporegorger_Dragon wrote:
3 months ago
Wallycaine wrote:
3 months ago
Piru, The Volatile looks interesting. I really like that they managed to make the traditional elder dragon upkeep payment a semi-upside, since you can use it to set off her boardwipe on command.
Could it be?! :omg: I actually asked Rosewater on Blogatog a while back about the possibility of wedge Elder Dragons and never received a reply.

Could we be getting a full cycle of wedge Elder Dragons?!!
I was going to say Probably not, since only Piru was the remaining survivor of the Elder Dragon War, but it turns out MTG wiki does have 4 more names:

https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Dragon
Only seven Elder Dragons seem to have actually survived the war. They are the siblings Chromium Rhuell, Arcades Sabboth, Palladia-Mors, Nicol Bolas, Ugin (the latter two are actually twins), their cousins Vaevictis Asmadi, and Piru, Chromium's lover. However, only the five Elder Dragon Legends were remembered as the survivors, because Ugin had become a planeswalker before the war began and never participated, and Piru was largely forgotten after she was killed by Dakkon Blackblade in ages past.[9] Presently, Nicol Bolas and Ugin are the only known Elder Dragons that still live.[10]

An eighth Elder Dragon, Merrevia Sal was killed in ages past, shortly after her "birth". Others were Rubra, Ravus, and Lividus.
That, and they did retcon Ugin into the whole thing... so, who knows at this point?

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Post by Hermes_ » 3 months ago

Dragoon wrote:
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JWK wrote:
3 months ago
On one level, more cool dragons is, well, cool. On another, pretty much version of a dragon deck you might want to actually build as dragon tribal already has more good options available than you can possibly include in one deck. Some of these are good enough they might play a role outside dragon tribal, though, and that's where I get interested.
Hermes_ wrote:
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now to figure out which dragon to take out of my dragon deck...
Just do it like me: a 75 cards shell containing the lands and the support cards, and 25 random dragons taken from a huge pile of them. No more cuts, play all the dragons :P
It's the dragon per-con..so yeah that could work lol
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