Unreleased and New Card Discussion

User avatar
folding_music
minus 75% EDH
Posts: 1169
Joined: 1 year ago
Pronoun: they / them

Post by folding_music » 3 months ago

snow duals are gorgeous, snow's one of my things already and those Coldsnap duals really weren't good enough.
I know I'm buying a common playset of Kaldheim now :3

but just watch Scrying Sheets tumble away into unaffordability

ilovesaprolings
Posts: 468
Joined: 1 year ago
Pronoun: he / him

Post by ilovesaprolings » 3 months ago

Kaldheim seems a set with good power level. That tutor demon is surely good. I hope they will print some interesting commanders.

User avatar
Serenade
UnderKing
Posts: 752
Joined: 1 year ago
Pronoun: Unlisted

Post by Serenade » 3 months ago

Archelos, Lagoon Mystic has a lot of fun snow cards in his colors already, so tapped snow lands will be no issue!
Mirri, Cat Warrior counts as a Cat Warrior.

BeneTleilax
Posts: 603
Joined: 1 year ago
Pronoun: he / him

Post by BeneTleilax » 3 months ago

The tutor guy looks mildly obnoxious, I think we'll see another wave of combo/control black, like when Sidisi came out.

User avatar
bobthefunny
Resident Plainswalker
Posts: 419
Joined: 1 year ago
Pronoun: he / him
Contact:

Post by bobthefunny » 3 months ago

PSA. If you steal a Tibalt, Cosmic Impersonator, be aware that it will not work out the way you want it to...
Dunharrow wrote:
3 months ago
I am guessing the new Tibalt can be a commander (front side is legendary creature)
And that even though the front card is monoblack the CI would be BR

If so, step aside Mogis, I have a new commander for my creatureless Panharmonicon deck.
Yes, and yes.
BeneTleilax wrote:
3 months ago
Yo, fetchable snow duals.
fetchable COMMON snow duals! Everybody wins!

User avatar
toctheyounger
Posts: 2222
Joined: 1 year ago
Pronoun: he / him
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

Post by toctheyounger » 3 months ago

bobthefunny wrote:
3 months ago
fetchable COMMON snow duals! Everybody wins!
So freaking good. Best thing to happen to lands for the average deckbuilder pretty much ever.
Malazan Decks of the Fallen
| Shadowthrone/Lazav | Raest/Yidris | T'iam / The Ur-Dragon |

User avatar
materpillar
the caterpillar
Posts: 514
Joined: 1 year ago
Pronoun: Unlisted
Location: Ohio

Post by materpillar » 3 months ago

New Tibalt is awesome, mostly because I was seriously bamboozled by the front card. On another note Masked Vandal is everything I didn't know that I wanted. 2CMC changeling with ETB artifact/enchantment removal? Enchantment/artifact hate is a huge weakness in my tribal tribal deck, I literally could not have designed a better card for my deck. Slamming this card so hard. So long Impostor of the Sixth Pride you will not be missed.

User avatar
Hermes_
Posts: 707
Joined: 1 year ago
Pronoun: he / him

Post by Hermes_ » 3 months ago

so close to making the OG duels obsolete...remove the "enter tapped" clause and i think e'd have gotten around the RL
The Secret of Commander (EDH)
Sheldon-"The secret of this format is in not breaking it. "

User avatar
Mookie
Posts: 1607
Joined: 1 year ago
Answers: 20
Pronoun: Unlisted
Location: the æthereal plane

Post by Mookie » 3 months ago

Wheeee, new stuff.
  • Snow duals are awesome. I'll have to check which of my decks want them, but powering up stuff like Keeper of Progenitus, HIgh Tide, and Skyshroud Claim is certainly nice. I definitely appreciate that they have the full cycle and not just the ally-colored ones.
  • Valki, God of Lies is an interesting Brain Maggot variant with a bit of additional shapeshifting utility. Scaling into the lategame as Tibalt is a very splashy and powerful ability. Seven mana is a little steep, but given how much card advantage he generates and the additional flexibility, it's not that unreasonable.
  • Masked Vandal looks very strong. Usually not active on turn 2 - you won't be sniping many Sol Rings - but a two mana Reclamation Sage that exiles is extremely valuable, and looks like a snap include in many creature-heavy decks.
  • Alrund, God of the Cosmos looks reasonable. Gets beefy, draws cards, can be a bird in the early game.
  • Binding the Old Gods looks reasonable, and I may give it a shot in Tasigur. One extra mana over Maelstrom Pulse to also ramp out a forest seems decent.
  • Phyrexian Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider is sweet. I don't love it quite as much as the Phyrexian Elesh Norn, but still cool.

User avatar
CommanderMaster999
Posts: 508
Joined: 1 year ago
Pronoun: Unlisted

Post by CommanderMaster999 » 3 months ago

Ok now I need to brew phyrexian tribal with Morophon, the Boundless since it's offical confirmed now

I hope 90% of the phyrexian creatures that get the errata don't spike because of that

Fecthable snow duels besides entering tapped (which can be loopholed by a few cards) this is the gonna be the first ever auto include for ever edh deck that's enter tapped regardless (besides the triomes)

User avatar
Rumpy5897
Tuner of Jank
Posts: 1446
Joined: 1 year ago
Pronoun: he / him

Post by Rumpy5897 » 3 months ago

Curtain. FRED and STEVE need to come up with something cool for Kaldheim.

STEVE: It's a brilliant plan, I'm telling you!
FRED: I don't know, man, isn't the set already full to the brim with random stuff? We are rocking ten creature tribes, we're rocking five human factions, snow mana, foretell...
STEVE: A lot of that is handled by the type line. What do you care if the piece of limited chaff is a troll or a spirit or whatever? Same with snow, we can stick that in a few type lines and we've got snow in the set. Plus haven't we done random misfit planeswalkers for years? Come on!
FRED: ...but a praetor? Here? On top of all that stuff and gods and whatnot? Why?
STEVE: ...why not?
FRED: ...okay I got nothing, you seem set on this. Let's humour the idea, worst case we'll kick it from the file. What you got in mind?
STEVE: When in doubt, green. New Vorinclex! What's a beloved green effect we can stick on him?
FRED: Mana doub-no wait, the original had that. What else is there... Doubling Season!
STEVE: Boom, we're on fire over here! But the praetors have that whole "I get a thing, you lose a thing" going on. Do we halve the enemy gains to keep up this tradition?
FRED: Certainly. Seems a bit good for five mana like the original, let's make it cost six.
STEVE: Solid call. Also, as mentioned, type line. Let's bust out the Phyrexian, people will go crazy for that.
Vorinclex 2.0 gets typed into file.
STEVE: Which way do we round the enemy gains?
FRED's eyes contort malevolently.
FRED: Down. I've got a Daxos deck I need to crush.

Curtain.

Thoughts on other stuff:
  • Koll, the Forgemaster is the best sort of Boros card. I feel that strong recursion is a good way to help grant card advantage, and the conditions on this guy incentivise interesting board states with potentially slightly scattered equipment to avoid wrath blow-outs. Hoping for more recursion'y stuff in white to follow.
  • The templating on Elvish Warmaster is aggressively terrible. Why couldn't it just have been something along the lines of "when an Elf enters the battlefield under your control for the first time each turn, make a body"? Also doesn't that "enters" sound weird? Just me?
  • The snow duals make me happy. I am considering adding them to my chiselled 2c enemy mana bases for pure fetchability alone, to Daxos in particular. Rampant Hawk can nab this and it'll serve as a swamp for things that care about that, and I can burn an early fetch to grab it without much tempo loss. Around the time JMP came out I was whining about the lands there not getting a type for easy budget fetchability, these are decent budget fetchables instead.
 
EDH Primers (click me!)
 
Deck is Kill Club
Show

User avatar
Krishnath
Mechanical Dragon
Posts: 2386
Joined: 1 year ago
Pronoun: he / him
Location: A cave somewhere in Scandinavia

Post by Krishnath » 3 months ago

folding_music wrote:
3 months ago
snow duals are gorgeous, snow's one of my things already and those Coldsnap duals really weren't good enough.
I know I'm buying a common playset of Kaldheim now :3

but just watch Scrying Sheets tumble away into unaffordability
Would be funny if it got reprinted in Kaldheim, wouldn't it?
Numquam evolutioni obstes. Solum conculceris.

Pascite draconem, evolvite aut morimini.

The Commander Legacy Project. Or, what if there were created commander decks to old sets? (Custom card creation included.)

Like to read? Love books and want to recommend one to your fellow forum users? Go here.

User avatar
Mookie
Posts: 1607
Joined: 1 year ago
Answers: 20
Pronoun: Unlisted
Location: the æthereal plane

Post by Mookie » 3 months ago

Rumpy5897 wrote:
3 months ago
The templating on Elvish Warmaster is aggressively terrible. Why couldn't it just have been something along the lines of "when an Elf enters the battlefield under your control for the first time each turn, make a body"? Also doesn't that "enters" sound weird? Just me?
I'm going to infer that Warmaster is templated this way so it can trigger off elves entering the battlefield after it - if it only triggered off the first elf each turn, then it wouldn't trigger if you had another elf enter previously. Hard for me to say how relevant that is, but if you're elfballing with Glimpse of Nature, getting extra elves after Warmaster is certainly relevant.

....I'll second the confusion re: why Vorinclex is showing up though. It's probably foreshadowing for a return to New Phyrexia, similar to Dark Intimations and the other Bolas foreshadowing leading up to War of the Spark. I suppose Elspeth being released also is a bit of foreshadowing on that front. There could be some story implications for Kaldheim (ex: Phyrexians triggering the local equivalent of Ragnarok), but still weird.

Will be interesting to see what gets errata'd to be Phyrexian though. My assumption would be 'every creature with Phyrexian in its name, and many creatures with a Phyrexian watermark', but the blasphemous non-Phyrexian Consecrated Sphinx stops all of them being errata'd. Any creature that costs Phyrexian mana or has infect is probably a reasonable guess though.

PrimevalCommander
Posts: 142
Joined: 1 year ago
Pronoun: he / him

Post by PrimevalCommander » 3 months ago

Hawk wrote:
3 months ago
I know they're gonna get hated on since the EtB Tapped, but fetchable snow duals is awesome for budget players. Goes a long way towards letting pleebs play base-green 3+ Color decks utilizing Farseek, Nature's Lore, Skyshroud Claim, Wood Elves, and now Into the North as ultimate fixing.
I think these are a great addition. I'd say these are some of the better ETB tapped lands I have seen in a while. I would likely play these over the gain lands that gain a life. I'd likely be able to find some sort of land type synergy in every multicolor combo to make these more playable over "gain 1 life" or even "scry 1". The Temples are good for budget, but these lands at common are very exciting to see. I'll be picking up some of these to have.

PDH finally has duals to search off Wood Elves and Farseek. I should pick up a couple copies of Into the North.

Wallycaine
Posts: 521
Joined: 1 year ago
Pronoun: he / him

Post by Wallycaine » 3 months ago

Mookie wrote:
3 months ago
Rumpy5897 wrote:
3 months ago
The templating on Elvish Warmaster is aggressively terrible. Why couldn't it just have been something along the lines of "when an Elf enters the battlefield under your control for the first time each turn, make a body"? Also doesn't that "enters" sound weird? Just me?
I'm going to infer that Warmaster is templated this way so it can trigger off elves entering the battlefield after it - if it only triggered off the first elf each turn, then it wouldn't trigger if you had another elf enter previously. Hard for me to say how relevant that is, but if you're elfballing with Glimpse of Nature, getting extra elves after Warmaster is certainly relevant.
Yeah, this is almost certainly the reason. There's also potiential confusion issues with what "first time each turn" is referring to: While it would be unlikely to trip up most players, it would be possible to read Rumpy's proposed version as asking whether the *particular elf* is entering the battlefield for the first time, not whether or not any other elves have also entered. I'm also not sure the interaction Rumpy's version would have with multiple elves entering at the same time. If you cast Canopy Ambush with him out, there's 5 triggers, each of which entered the battlefield at the same time. So which one's first? Or are they all first? Which would obviously have power level implications.

....I'll second the confusion re: why Vorinclex is showing up though. It's probably foreshadowing for a return to New Phyrexia, similar to Dark Intimations and the other Bolas foreshadowing leading up to War of the Spark. I suppose Elspeth being released also is a bit of foreshadowing on that front. There could be some story implications for Kaldheim (ex: Phyrexians triggering the local equivalent of Ragnarok), but still weird.

Will be interesting to see what gets errata'd to be Phyrexian though. My assumption would be 'every creature with Phyrexian in its name, and many creatures with a Phyrexian watermark', but the blasphemous non-Phyrexian Consecrated Sphinx stops all of them being errata'd. Any creature that costs Phyrexian mana or has infect is probably a reasonable guess though.
Honestly, not sure I see enough reason not to make Consecrated Sphinx into a "Phyrexian Sphinx". Phyrexians seem to come from a variety of body type bases (see the variety of Phyrexian Gargantua's out there), and there's no reason that, like Zombie, Phyrexian couldn't be a modifier to another type.

User avatar
Hawk
Slayer of Threads
Posts: 573
Joined: 1 year ago
Pronoun: he / him
Location: Salt Lake City, UT

Post by Hawk » 3 months ago

PrimevalCommander wrote:
3 months ago
Hawk wrote:
3 months ago
I know they're gonna get hated on since the EtB Tapped, but fetchable snow duals is awesome for budget players. Goes a long way towards letting pleebs play base-green 3+ Color decks utilizing Farseek, Nature's Lore, Skyshroud Claim, Wood Elves, and now Into the North as ultimate fixing.
I think these are a great addition. I'd say these are some of the better ETB tapped lands I have seen in a while. I would likely play these over the gain lands that gain a life. I'd likely be able to find some sort of land type synergy in every multicolor combo to make these more playable over "gain 1 life" or even "scry 1". The Temples are good for budget, but these lands at common are very exciting to see. I'll be picking up some of these to have.

PDH finally has duals to search off Wood Elves and Farseek. I should pick up a couple copies of Into the North.
Agreed. I've mostly phased the gainlands out of decks outside of a few budget/lifegain synergy builds, but I still run the Temples and I'd say I prefer these in any deck with W or G. It's also nice because my collection is random - for instance, I own five Temple of Mystery but only one Temple of Enlightenment. Having a really consistent dualland at common to just hoard copies of for future WUx decks feels good.

User avatar
Rumpy5897
Tuner of Jank
Posts: 1446
Joined: 1 year ago
Pronoun: he / him

Post by Rumpy5897 » 3 months ago

I guess I can see why this is done so weirdly now. Let's assume a hypothetical Glimpse chain or whatever, and this guy comes midway through, and you want to keep rolling. Some elegant way of trying to phrase the simpler angle like "whenever one or more other Elves enter the battlefield for the first time" would suddenly not do anything. Okay, fine, mystery solved :P
 
EDH Primers (click me!)
 
Deck is Kill Club
Show

User avatar
Mookie
Posts: 1607
Joined: 1 year ago
Answers: 20
Pronoun: Unlisted
Location: the æthereal plane

Post by Mookie » 3 months ago

Wallycaine wrote:
3 months ago
Honestly, not sure I see enough reason not to make Consecrated Sphinx into a "Phyrexian Sphinx". Phyrexians seem to come from a variety of body type bases (see the variety of Phyrexian Gargantua's out there), and there's no reason that, like Zombie, Phyrexian couldn't be a modifier to another type.
The issue with Consecrated Sphinx is specifically the secret lair version, which is specifically not Phyrexian.

On another note, Reflections of Littjara looks intriguing for any blue tribal deck. Flameshadow Conjuring is already a strong effect, and getting the token permanently seems strong, even if it is limited to just one tribe.

Wallycaine
Posts: 521
Joined: 1 year ago
Pronoun: he / him

Post by Wallycaine » 3 months ago

Mookie wrote:
3 months ago
Wallycaine wrote:
3 months ago
Honestly, not sure I see enough reason not to make Consecrated Sphinx into a "Phyrexian Sphinx". Phyrexians seem to come from a variety of body type bases (see the variety of Phyrexian Gargantua's out there), and there's no reason that, like Zombie, Phyrexian couldn't be a modifier to another type.
The issue with Consecrated Sphinx is specifically the secret lair version, which is specifically not Phyrexian.
I'm pretty confident they won't let that stop them. But we'll have to see!

User avatar
Toshi
ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ
Posts: 361
Joined: 1 year ago
Pronoun: he / him
Location: Freiburg, Germany
Contact:

Post by Toshi » 3 months ago

Reflections of Littjara with Clones/Shapeshifters is just absurd durdle.

User avatar
RxPhantom
Pharmacist
Posts: 622
Joined: 1 year ago
Pronoun: Unlisted
Location: Southern Maryland

Post by RxPhantom » 3 months ago

*sigh* Into the North is going, well...north.
Can you name all of the creature types with at least 20 cards? Try my Sporcle Quiz! Last Updated: 3/14/21 (Kaldheim).

My (inactive) 720 Peasant Cube

User avatar
Toshi
ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ
Posts: 361
Joined: 1 year ago
Pronoun: he / him
Location: Freiburg, Germany
Contact:

Post by Toshi » 3 months ago

RxPhantom wrote:
3 months ago
*sigh* Into the North is going, well...north.
Really? I'm curious how long it'll take until the european buyouts begin.
Jan 8th at 00:00 CEST they are still at 0,35€/0,43€/0,68€ respectively at the three stores on cardmarket that offer them im bulk in Germany.
Image

User avatar
Hawk
Slayer of Threads
Posts: 573
Joined: 1 year ago
Pronoun: he / him
Location: Salt Lake City, UT

Post by Hawk » 3 months ago

Masked Vandal is a card that I might be most excited about. A Revoke Existence on a stick that is also a Changeling is amazing, and while it isn't active on Turn 2 on average that won't be a huge deal. I want to run it everywhere.

Behold the Multiverse is also of interest to me - a few weeks ago I remember a thread where folks debated Hieroglyphic Illumination versus Chemister's Insight for their Inspiration of choice, and I noted that I take Glimmer of Genius over either sometimes even sans energy synergy - this seems even better thanks to the installment plans, and while it still doesn't replace good ol' Fact or Fiction I suspect I'm going to end up playing it a lot.

User avatar
RxPhantom
Pharmacist
Posts: 622
Joined: 1 year ago
Pronoun: Unlisted
Location: Southern Maryland

Post by RxPhantom » 3 months ago

NoNeedToBragoBoutIt wrote:
3 months ago
RxPhantom wrote:
3 months ago
*sigh* Into the North is going, well...north.
Really? I'm curious how long it'll take until the european buyouts begin.
Jan 8th at 00:00 CEST they are still at 0,35€/0,43€/0,68€ respectively at the three stores on cardmarket that offer them im bulk in Germany.
Image
Many of the sites I checked were sold out, and listings on TCG Player were all of the "listed for 99 cents but shipping is $3" variety.
Can you name all of the creature types with at least 20 cards? Try my Sporcle Quiz! Last Updated: 3/14/21 (Kaldheim).

My (inactive) 720 Peasant Cube

User avatar
Mookie
Posts: 1607
Joined: 1 year ago
Answers: 20
Pronoun: Unlisted
Location: the æthereal plane

Post by Mookie » 3 months ago

Hmmmm.... with just the new cycle of duals, I'm still not entirely sold on Into the North. Arctic Flats and friends already exist, so the new duals don't suddenly make it provide that much better fixing. There is certainly an upside for there being a lower opportunity cost in running the new cycle, but... IMO, the primary draw for running Into the North is access to the snow utility lands - Scrying Sheets and Dark Depths. If you're not running those, I'd skip on swapping out Farseek / Three Visits / Nature's Lore.

...still, if we get some more utility lands, Into the North will go up in value significantly. It's pretty close to strictly-better Farseek, which is certainly significant. Not a bad speculation, I suppose.

As an aside, given the current state of snow lands being strictly better than non-snow lands (hence why eternal formats have been infested with Arcum's Astrolabe and Ice-Fang Coatl), I'm going to contemplate whether there will be any snow hate printed. Snow-only Strip Mine could be interesting, although that may go against current design philosophy. Hmmm....

Post Reply Previous topicNext topic

Return to “Commander”