Unreleased and New Card Discussion

User avatar
pokken
Posts: 3901
Joined: 2 years ago
Answers: 2
Pronoun: he / him

Post by pokken » 8 months ago

Wallycaine wrote:
8 months ago
I think there's a fair argument to run Ohran Frostfang first, as that deathtouch is a great way to get extra value or get through on attacks you shouldn't, for only 1 mana more. I do agree that this is probably worth running over the various enchantment versions, with the possible exception of Kindred Discovery in a tribal deck.
The argument can be made but it's far from open and shut. it's a lot easier to rebuild after a sweeper with an indestructible coastal piracy than with your ohran frostfang in the bin. It also can't be reveillark'd or recruiter of the guarded, etc. Lots of advantages to the body in various colors.

And of course, Frostfang is an extremely counterable card that, if it is countered, can blow your entire gameplan.

(edit: misremembered frostfang's power as 3 for some reason :))
Last edited by pokken 8 months ago, edited 1 time in total.

Wallycaine
Posts: 631
Joined: 2 years ago
Pronoun: he / him

Post by Wallycaine » 8 months ago

pokken wrote:
8 months ago
Wallycaine wrote:
8 months ago
I think there's a fair argument to run Ohran Frostfang first, as that deathtouch is a great way to get extra value or get through on attacks you shouldn't, for only 1 mana more. I do agree that this is probably worth running over the various enchantment versions, with the possible exception of Kindred Discovery in a tribal deck.
The argument can be made but it's far from open and shut. it's a lot easier to rebuild after a sweeper with an indestructible coastal piracy than with your ohran frostfang in the bin. It also can't be reveillark'd or recruiter of the guarded, etc. Lots of advantages to the body in various colors.

And of course, Frostfang is an extremely counterable card that, if it is countered, can blow your entire gameplan.
Agreed, there's upsides and downsides to both cards, I don't think either is a slam dunk over the other. I will point out than Ohran is reveillarkable, as that procs off power, not toughness. But yeah, they both have upsides/downsides, which is reasonable. I do agree that most of the "effect on body" versions are better than the enchantments.

User avatar
JWK
Elder Thing
Posts: 465
Joined: 1 year ago
Pronoun: he / him
Location: Des Moines, Iowa

Post by JWK » 8 months ago

Pretty sure I'll be running our new squirrel overlord along with Frostfang in some decks. More draw = good.
I have 68 active EDH decks, with more in progress. I don't consider this a problem. Do you?
I am also one of those barbarians who enjoys winning by turning creatures sideways.

User avatar
Serenade
UnderKing
Posts: 869
Joined: 2 years ago
Pronoun: Unlisted

Post by Serenade » 8 months ago

Unofficial Spoiler Discussion
Gonna be pretty hard to play the new BR saga without singing a little jam from Clerks.



Also, might be hard to play at all. It's a very specific card.
Mirri, Cat Warrior counts as a Cat Warrior.

BeneTleilax
Posts: 883
Joined: 2 years ago
Pronoun: he / him

Post by BeneTleilax » 8 months ago

Unofficial Spoiler Discussion
I imagine berserker tribal will get at least one general out of this set
Decks: Flicker Feather, Krenko, Varina, Zabaz

User avatar
bobthefunny
Resident Plainswalker
Posts: 435
Joined: 2 years ago
Pronoun: he / him
Contact:

Post by bobthefunny » 8 months ago

Unofficial Spoiler Discussion
I expect that at least one person who has a tribal changeling deck might be happy if that leak is true.

User avatar
Serenade
UnderKing
Posts: 869
Joined: 2 years ago
Pronoun: Unlisted

Post by Serenade » 8 months ago

Unofficial Spoiler Discussion
Righteous Valk seems awesome for life gain-focused tribal decks, damn. That's a lot on a 3cmc critter.

Foretell seems weak given that's the green mythic...but Deathmist Raptor and Whisperwood Elemental do exist. Battle Mammoth/foretell at least plays along with Keruga as a companion.
Mirri, Cat Warrior counts as a Cat Warrior.

BeneTleilax
Posts: 883
Joined: 2 years ago
Pronoun: he / him

Post by BeneTleilax » 8 months ago

Unofficial Spoiler Discussion
Seems like a stronger Morph, and I think it will have at least one surprise. If it sticks around, I imagine some interesting shell games will come of it. I don't think green really wants a cut-rate Archetype of Endurance, though, regardless of Foretell.
Decks: Flicker Feather, Krenko, Varina, Zabaz

User avatar
ISBPathfinder
Bebopin
Posts: 1362
Joined: 2 years ago
Pronoun: he / him
Location: SD, USA

Post by ISBPathfinder » 8 months ago

Serenade wrote:
8 months ago
Unofficial Spoiler Discussion
Righteous Valk seems awesome for life gain-focused tribal decks, damn. That's a lot on a 3cmc critter.
Unofficial Spoiler Discussion
I think the challenging part is that those tribes are still very narrow. Its not as if there aren't good angels / clerics out there but there still are incredibly few legends that give reasonable payoff in a way to incentivize you to push deep on any one of these two tribes. The few that exist seem..... not that great to be honest. I have for a long time hoped they would give us more tribal commanders but the slow stem of them seems to still be slow.

As far as it just being an anthem, honestly given the requirement I wouldn't even say that its really that good as just an anthem.
[EDH] Sram (auras) | Bruna | Heliod | Sai | Naban | Anje

BeneTleilax
Posts: 883
Joined: 2 years ago
Pronoun: he / him

Post by BeneTleilax » 8 months ago

Unofficial Spoiler Discussion
As I mentioned in another thread, the valkyrie seems quite playable as an anthem in Soul Sisters type wide lifegain decks. +2/+2 and buffing it's own flying body should not go overooked. Many of those decks already run enough clerics to get a couple triggers out of the first clause as well. Of the top creatures EDHREC lists across the lifegain archetype, ten are Clerics or Angels.
Decks: Flicker Feather, Krenko, Varina, Zabaz

User avatar
ZenN
Posts: 448
Joined: 2 years ago
Pronoun: he / him
Location: Canada

Post by ZenN » 8 months ago

ISBPathfinder wrote:
8 months ago
Unofficial Spoiler Discussion
I think the challenging part is that those tribes are still very narrow. Its not as if there aren't good angels / clerics out there but there still are incredibly few legends that give reasonable payoff in a way to incentivize you to push deep on any one of these two tribes. The few that exist seem..... not that great to be honest. I have for a long time hoped they would give us more tribal commanders but the slow stem of them seems to still be slow.

As far as it just being an anthem, honestly given the requirement I wouldn't even say that its really that good as just an anthem.
Unofficial Spoiler Discussion
Angel tribal stuff is most often too battlecruisery, but there are some strong cleric synergies out there. I could see a cleric focused Aristocrats sot of thing working out well. Probably either with Orah, Skyclave Hierophant, or Tymna the Weaver + something.
Commander
Golos, ETB Pilgrim - Value Town
Maelstrom Wanderer a.k.a. The Kool-Aid Man
Korvold, Fae-Cursed King - OM NOM NOM
Kykar, Wind's Fury - Spellslinger + Tokens

User avatar
folding_music
trelasarra main
Posts: 1406
Joined: 2 years ago
Pronoun: they / them

Post by folding_music » 8 months ago

I get this weird card blindness when I'm reading "extra cards" like stuff for Brawl, or box toppers, or cards which only appear in ze toolkit etc. Have to squint to read them, can tell them a mile off without any conditioning. I swear they use different ink.

I absolutely adore Giant's Grasp though, that's a good one. and they made that really cosy affinity-for-enchantments Giant in Theros recently and I wanna use both cards somehow. I kinda maintain a blue auras matter deck so I'm gonna stubbornly try and run them together :3

User avatar
Hermes_
Posts: 859
Joined: 2 years ago
Pronoun: he / him

Post by Hermes_ » 8 months ago

so this is a thing
Attachments
ErFAV9fXIAAhlj4.jpg
The Secret of Commander (EDH)
Sheldon-"The secret of this format is in not breaking it. "

User avatar
Dunharrow
Posts: 944
Joined: 2 years ago
Pronoun: he / him
Location: Montreal

Post by Dunharrow » 8 months ago

Lines up well with turn 4 Inferno Titan
The New World fell not to a sword but to a meme

User avatar
tstorm823
Knowledge Pool
Posts: 688
Joined: 2 years ago
Answers: 2
Pronoun: he / him
Location: York, PA

Post by tstorm823 » 8 months ago

That's less exciting for what it is than it's exciting for what it's signposting.
Zedruu: "This deck is not only able to go crazy - it also needs to do so."

BeneTleilax
Posts: 883
Joined: 2 years ago
Pronoun: he / him

Post by BeneTleilax » 8 months ago

With most of these tribal cards, I think it all depends on the quality of the general they make for them.
Decks: Flicker Feather, Krenko, Varina, Zabaz

User avatar
toctheyounger
Posts: 2638
Joined: 2 years ago
Pronoun: he / him
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

Post by toctheyounger » 8 months ago

Unofficial Spoiler Discussion
Rise of the Dread Marn looks suuuper fun. Foretell adds another layer of utility to an already pretty sweet instant card. Probably I'll want a copy for Varina.
Please remember to use [leak] tags.
Malazan Decks of the Fallen
| Shadowthrone/Lazav | Raest/Yidris | T'iam / The Ur-Dragon |

User avatar
JWK
Elder Thing
Posts: 465
Joined: 1 year ago
Pronoun: he / him
Location: Des Moines, Iowa

Post by JWK » 8 months ago

toctheyounger wrote:
8 months ago
Unofficial Spoiler Discussion
Rise of the Dread Marn looks suuuper fun. Foretell adds another layer of utility to an already pretty sweet instant card. Probably I'll want a copy for Varina.
Unofficial Spoiler Discussion
Rise seems like a fantastic card to me. Last year we got Liliana's Standard Bearer. Now we got this. More ways to benefit from a board wipe or from sacrificing your board. Gotta love it!
I have 68 active EDH decks, with more in progress. I don't consider this a problem. Do you?
I am also one of those barbarians who enjoys winning by turning creatures sideways.

BeneTleilax
Posts: 883
Joined: 2 years ago
Pronoun: he / him

Post by BeneTleilax » 8 months ago

Unofficial Spoiler Discussion
Blood on the Snow seems like another solid sweeper for Snow decks, and the option to just dumpster the superfriends player is handy to have.
Decks: Flicker Feather, Krenko, Varina, Zabaz

User avatar
Toshi
ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ
Posts: 397
Joined: 2 years ago
Pronoun: he / him
Location: Freiburg, Germany
Contact:

Post by Toshi » 8 months ago

BeneTleilax wrote:
8 months ago
Unofficial Spoiler Discussion
Blood on the Snow seems like another solid sweeper for Snow decks, and the option to just dumpster the superfriends player is handy to have.
Unofficial Spoiler Discussion
I just converted my Gonti, Lord of Luxury deck to a snow base - for Dead of Winter and Extraplanar Lens - and Blood on the Snow will do just fine in that deck.
Sure, that's some mana to spend, but i'm not aiming for a high power level and a wrath plus a revive? Sounds good to me, even without any dedicated Superfriend decks in my meta.

BeneTleilax
Posts: 883
Joined: 2 years ago
Pronoun: he / him

Post by BeneTleilax » 8 months ago

Yo, fetchable snow duals.
Decks: Flicker Feather, Krenko, Varina, Zabaz

User avatar
Dunharrow
Posts: 944
Joined: 2 years ago
Pronoun: he / him
Location: Montreal

Post by Dunharrow » 8 months ago

I am guessing the new Tibalt can be a commander (front side is legendary creature)
And that even though the front card is monoblack the CI would be BR

If so, step aside Mogis, I have a new commander for my creatureless Panharmonicon deck.
The New World fell not to a sword but to a meme

Wallycaine
Posts: 631
Joined: 2 years ago
Pronoun: he / him

Post by Wallycaine » 8 months ago

Dunharrow wrote:
8 months ago
I am guessing the new Tibalt can be a commander (front side is legendary creature)
And that even though the front card is monoblack the CI would be BR

If so, step aside Mogis, I have a new commander for my creatureless Panharmonicon deck.
That would be correct. Just like Archangel Avacyn // Avacyn, the Purifier is a R/W card for the purposes of color identity, so too would the new tibalt be a B/R color identity.

User avatar
Hawk
Slayer of Threads
Posts: 650
Joined: 2 years ago
Pronoun: he / him
Location: Salt Lake City, UT

Post by Hawk » 8 months ago

BeneTleilax wrote:
8 months ago
Yo, fetchable snow duals.
I know they're gonna get hated on since the EtB Tapped, but fetchable snow duals is awesome for budget players. Goes a long way towards letting pleebs play base-green 3+ Color decks utilizing Farseek, Nature's Lore, Skyshroud Claim, Wood Elves, and now Into the North as ultimate fixing.

User avatar
pokken
Posts: 3901
Joined: 2 years ago
Answers: 2
Pronoun: he / him

Post by pokken » 8 months ago

Fetchable snow duals are definitely reasonably playable. Also hot for Into the North having a second dual land target :)

I will get one for Ephara just in case I want to play it. It's not that much worse than the bicycle land which I usually just fetch as a tapped dual when I can afford to eat the tapped mana loss.

Post Reply Previous topicNext topic

Return to “Commander”