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Post by darrenhabib » 11 months ago

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Blim 2BR
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Whenever deals combat damage to a player, that player gains control of a permanent you control of your choice. Then each player loses life and discards cards equal to the number of permanents they control but don't own.
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The Rakdos "Zedruu".
Demonic Pact, Forbidden Crypt, Immortal Coil, Lich's Mastery, Nefarious Lich .. yikes!!!
Lich's Tomb, Oath of Lim-Dûl, Phyrexian Negator .. also yikes!!


Anara, Wolfid-Vertraute 3G
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In your turn your commanders have indestructible
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The partner Zurgo Helmsmasher. Will see a lot of pairing with board wipe decks.


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3, T, Pay life equal to the amount of colors in your commander's color identity: Draw a card.

Slam dunk in every colorless commander deck ever. Probably will go into a lot of mono-colored decks that don't rely on land types all that much. To be honest can go any deck if you can afford colorless lands, life doesn't matter in commander. The fact that it doesn't require another card in play makes this a very strong colorless land.

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Post by Feyd_Ruin » 11 months ago

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darrenhabib wrote:
11 months ago
The partner Zurgo Helmsmasher. Will see a lot of pairing with board wipe decks.
I have a Zurgo deck planned out, but unbuilt.
But I've never liked red.
Obviously White and Black are necessary for the wrath, wrath, wrath concept.
And GWB are definitely my color trio.

Red brings Recoup and a couple wraths to the table (Blasph Act & Last One Standing & maybe Storm's Wrath).
Green mostly replaces this loss with Pernicious Deed and Gaze of the Gorgon, and several different Regrowth options.

There's very little other red in my build, and could easily be upgraded by going green instead.

I guess the real question is.. what should the second partner be?
What really compliments this to make the Voltron into a Duotron?
I guess I have to wait and see what WBx partners come out.
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Post by 5colorsrainbow » 11 months ago

Feyd_Ruin wrote:
11 months ago
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darrenhabib wrote:
11 months ago
The partner Zurgo Helmsmasher. Will see a lot of pairing with board wipe decks.
I have a Zurgo deck planned out, but unbuilt.
But I've never liked red.
Obviously White and Black are necessary for the wrath, wrath, wrath concept.
And GWB are definitely my color trio.

Red brings Recoup and a couple wraths to the table (Blasph Act & Last One Standing & maybe Storm's Wrath).
Green mostly replaces this loss with Pernicious Deed and Gaze of the Gorgon, and several different Regrowth options.

There's very little other red in my build, and could easily be upgraded by going green instead.

I guess the real question is.. what should the second partner be?
What really compliments this to make the Voltron into a Duotron?
I guess I have to wait and see what WBx partners come out.
Feyd_Ruin wrote:
11 months ago
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darrenhabib wrote:
11 months ago
The partner Zurgo Helmsmasher. Will see a lot of pairing with board wipe decks.
I have a Zurgo deck planned out, but unbuilt.
But I've never liked red.
Obviously White and Black are necessary for the wrath, wrath, wrath concept.
And GWB are definitely my color trio.

Red brings Recoup and a couple wraths to the table (Blasph Act & Last One Standing & maybe Storm's Wrath).
Green mostly replaces this loss with Pernicious Deed and Gaze of the Gorgon, and several different Regrowth options.

There's very little other red in my build, and could easily be upgraded by going green instead.

I guess the real question is.. what should the second partner be?
What really compliments this to make the Voltron into a Duotron?
I guess I have to wait and see what WBx partners come out.
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As far as I know only the mono-colored legends will have partner in this set. Slim looks really fun and I was thinking of a Xancha deck already and might replace her with Blim.

Malcom also looks need for blue ramp, not sure If I'd run him as a commander though just in the 99
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Post by ilovesaprolings » 11 months ago

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didn't expected so many pirates in there. A couple of them look like draft chaff but some are solid. Maybe Admiral Beckett Brass will finally become playable. That Kaladesh pirate is surely sweet
When do the official spoilers for commander legends start?

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Post by Cyberium » 11 months ago

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Amareth will probably replace my Alela as the type-matter commander, which uses a mix of Bestow creatures. I look forward to it.

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Post by 5colorsrainbow » 11 months ago

ilovesaprolings wrote:
11 months ago
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didn't expected so many pirates in there. A couple of them look like draft chaff but some are solid. Maybe Admiral Beckett Brass will finally become playable. That Kaladesh pirate is surely sweet
When do the official spoilers for commander legends start?
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They needed after Ixalan, while the flavor was there and it was cool having the 3 different combos playing different it hurt making a defined commander deck.
The 26th, they pushed the set and spoiler 2 weeks later than originally planned due to the mess that is 2020.
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Kodama of the East Tree 4GG
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Whenever another permanent enters the battlefield under your control, if it wasn't put onto the battlefield with this ability, you may put a permanent card with equal or lesser converted mana cost from your hand onto the battlefield.
Partner
6/6

Ladies and germs, think we have a winner for dumbest new partner. Run Ishai for colours and go full on Bant flicker filth. Just think of the insanity this is gonna pull with the likes of DEN or Brago. Toss in stuff like Guardian Project to stay topped up. Even freaking fetchlands are silly with this thing. Sheesh.
Screw it, this calls for a tongue-in-cheek skit.
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Curtain. GAVIN and PLAYERS.

GAVIN: Hoho it's me the Gavin look at my beard.
PLAYERS: Yes, very beardy.
GAVIN: We've been making Commander Legends for years now! We took ages to make sure that all the partners are going to be fine and won't do anything silly.
PLAYERS: Thank you Gavin.
GAVIN: Look at this fine fellow here. He is a strong card, and does stuff.
PLAYERS: Yes let's look at thi-WHAT?!
GAVIN: Don't worry, I see your worries. That's why we balanced it by making it cost six! We learned from 2019's mistakes that strong legends can't be too affordably costed. Chulane? Korvold? Golos? Kenrith? They all cost five and were stupid. Syr Gwyn? Cost six, was absolute trash by comparison. So we costed this fellow at six!
PLAYERS: But five and six is not that different, that's not why people neglected Gwyn, and this can combine with whatever colours are desired, and... and...
GAVIN: You're welcome!

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Post by DirkGently » 11 months ago

Eww, yeah that design looks pretty troubling.

Btw where do you guys find this stuff? I haven't seen it on mythicspoiler.
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Post by Hermes_ » 11 months ago

DirkGently wrote:
11 months ago
Eww, yeah that design looks pretty troubling.

Btw where do you guys find this stuff? I haven't seen it on mythicspoiler.
It's all leaks, apparently someone got a box a hell of a lot sooner than they should have and put it up on ebay along with opening it or something along those lines.
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Post by ilovesaprolings » 11 months ago

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"we won't make other broken partners"
*proceed to print partners that power up other commanders even by giving hexproof and a partner that makes cascade look like a weak mechanic*
i'm trying to enjoy these partners but they just make me cringe, at best. The only ones i'm liking are glacian and rebbec

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Post by Mookie » 11 months ago

ilovesaprolings wrote:
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"we won't make other broken partners"
*proceed to print partners that power up other commanders even by giving hexproof and a partner that makes cascade look like a weak mechanic*
i'm trying to enjoy these partners but they just make me cringe, at best. The only ones i'm liking are glacian and rebbec
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I don't actually mind the Familiar cycle that much. Do they make an already broken partner stronger? Yes.... but I think that says a lot more about the other partner than it does about the Familiar. That said, them being so cheap to deploy is sort of annoying.

I see a 6CCC cycle, which looks pretty dumb. You get what you pay for, I suppose. Terraforming fetching 10 lands (not even basics) is sort of absurd, as is Soulfire Eruption impulsively drawing a card for everything you can possibly target.

Kodama of the East Tree looks bah-roken. It starts out as Exploration + Mana Reflection (for permanents only), and only gets even dumber from there. Six mana is theoretically a lot, but it still doesn't seem like enough to balance it. Amareth the Shimmering looks laughable in comparison. (I will inquire as to where Kodama of the West Tree is though, since it looks like we already have North, South, and Center)

Yurlok of the Burning Gang brings back mana burn. yaaaaaaay /s.

Averna, Blooming Chaos may force me to finally repeat a color combination for my decks. Cascaaaaaade is one of my favorite mechanics.

(I also see some Scry tribal commanders, which look reasonable)

War Cabinet looks like a solid Manalith-with-upside. Interesting to compare to Bonder's Ornament, but saving a mana at the cost of some life seems like a reasonable deal. I'm a sucker for ramp // mana sink split cards.

Aurami, River of the Dead looks to have some interesting applications. Not quite as potent as Sedris, the Traitor King, but upgrading Unearth to Encore seems.... potent.

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Post by DirkGently » 11 months ago

Hermes_ wrote:
11 months ago
It's all leaks, apparently someone got a box a hell of a lot sooner than they should have and put it up on ebay along with opening it or something along those lines.
No, I know where they come from, I mean like what site are you using to look at all the leaks?
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Post by Dragoon » 11 months ago

Mookie wrote:
11 months ago
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War Cabinet looks like a solid Manalith-with-upside. Interesting to compare to Bonder's Ornament, but saving a mana at the cost of some life seems like a reasonable deal. I'm a sucker for ramp // mana sink split cards.
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War Cabinet is a land though :p
DirkGently wrote:
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Hermes_ wrote:
11 months ago
It's all leaks, apparently someone got a box a hell of a lot sooner than they should have and put it up on ebay along with opening it or something along those lines.
No, I know where they come from, I mean like what site are you using to look at all the leaks?
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Post by tstorm823 » 11 months ago

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Yurlok of the Burning Gang brings back mana burn. yaaaaaaay /s.
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I've had a stack of cards set aside to build jund shamans for, like, years at this point? The punisher sub-theme shamans have going felt out of place even in that context, but now I've got a new toy to ponder.
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Post by ilovesaprolings » 11 months ago

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Thank god they added the "it becomes a pirate" clause on that orc pirate! Thank god! I can't believe they finally learnt!

Borca gets a card! I can't believe it too. Soon all the og Ravnica characters will get a card. Too bad he's jank.

mardu get an "enchantress" general! Wow! That was unexpected.

And then we have Gnostro, who looks... really really bad. Am i missing something?

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Post by Krishnath » 11 months ago

Hermes_ wrote:
11 months ago
DirkGently wrote:
11 months ago
Eww, yeah that design looks pretty troubling.

Btw where do you guys find this stuff? I haven't seen it on mythicspoiler.
It's all leaks, apparently someone got a box a hell of a lot sooner than they should have and put it up on ebay along with opening it or something along those lines.
Considering the sheer number of some of the rares, I do not think it's a question of a box, but rather a crate that "fell of the back of a truck."
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Post by Serenade » 11 months ago

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I was drinking some water and almost choked as I read Ghen. I always wanted a repeatable enchantment sac outlet with a neat effect. Here I thought I would have to suffice with Blim as a way to get rid of enchantments that had run their course! Obviously it would have been better with green (Femeref Enchantress!), but I'm not complaining as Mardu has some strong, annoying enchantments as well.

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Post by UnfulfilledDesires » 11 months ago

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I'm thrilled by Yurlok bringing back mana burn. I doubt I'll build a deck around the card because I already have two Jund lists I'm happy with, but I'm glad mana burn has finally returned to the game! I hope to play against Yurlok.

Ghen, on the other hand, is more tempting as I'm not super attached to the Queen Marchesa deck I've been working on. I adore enchantments. I imagine I'll at least brainstorm a list at some point & see if I like it. I don't see any amazing interactions so far, given how much the ability costs to activate, but being able to active at instant speed is sweet.

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Post by nobody » 11 months ago

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Anyone else excited for Tormod, I bought out a lot of older cards that synergies with him!

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Post by BounceBurnBuff » 11 months ago

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Mardu gets Enchantress? Watch Abzan get snubbed for this again this set, I can't imagine where else it'll be coming after we had all the Wedge focus this year.

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Post by Toshi » 11 months ago

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I just realized how crazy the interaction of Amareth with Oracle of Mul Daya and Fetches is. Hitting up to 2 additional lands - let alone other Fetches - off of it is crazy good.
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Post by BeneTleilax » 11 months ago

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Anyone else excited for Tormod, I bought out a lot of older cards that synergies with him!
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Ew buyouts. Are you actually thinking of building a deck or just being an impediment to people who actually want to play him in the hope of getting a quick few bucks? I know he looks quite good in Varina in the 99.
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Post by ISBPathfinder » 11 months ago

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War Cabinet
Land
T: Add C
3, T, Pay life equal to the amount of colors in your commander's color identity: Draw a card.

Slam dunk in every colorless commander deck ever. Probably will go into a lot of mono-colored decks that don't rely on land types all that much. To be honest can go any deck if you can afford colorless lands, life doesn't matter in commander. The fact that it doesn't require another card in play makes this a very strong colorless land.
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I think that its probably not quite as huge as that. Its true that its a big improvement over what we had before with Arch of Orazca but I think four mana to draw a card is still kind of insane mana to throw around for drawing a card. Its on a land so I do think I will at least test it some but I did try testing Arch of Orazca and I don't think I ever activated that card. Its true that four mana and a little life is probably better than six mana but honestly, I kind of think it should have been less than four mana still.

Its worth testing, I just don't have much for hope after my experience with Arch of Orazca.
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Post by Serenade » 11 months ago

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I use Bonders' Enclave in monogreen decks. I've only activated a few times, and it's nice that it's available, but it does always feel inefficient. Maybe we're just so spoiled by strong card draw these days.

I do like War Cabinet as design space to try to help out monocolored decks over multicolored decks, though. I'll try it out in mono decks and Boros (especially something like Zirda).
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Post by BeneTleilax » 11 months ago

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I feel like pure mana sinks have been falling quickly out of fashion after so many of the strongest ramp pieces bring their own sinks *cough* Kinnan, Bonder Prodigy *cough*. On the whole, we've just been seeing an absurd consolidation in battlecruiser and ramp archetypes, where there were a wide variety of beaters, draw, ramp and sinks, now everything is slowly centralizing around the best beater-draw-ramp-sinks. So I don't think War Cabinet would see play, though in an earlier, better EDH it certainly would have.
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