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Post by cryogen » 11 months ago

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Thankfully the cards therein seem legitimately terrible. I highly doubt that Negan is going to be knockung over cedh tables anytime soon.
I like the Mardu one as a possible stax commander.
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Do they watch this thread, or should we move to the banned list discussion?
Don't know. If you want to discuss whether they should be banned in Commander then use that thread. If you just want to talk about the cards in general, stick to here. I will say that the Commander RC Discord has exploded today and pretty much any argument you can make they have heard already.
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Post by materpillar » 11 months ago

cryogen wrote:
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TheAmericanSpirit wrote:
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@BeneTleilax

Thankfully the cards therein seem legitimately terrible. I highly doubt that Negan is going to be knockung over cedh tables anytime soon.
I like the Mardu one as a possible stax commander.
I actually Negan quite a lot. I didn't watch any of the Walking Dead he was in but from what I know of him he's really flavorful. Ontop of which he just seems to be a very reasonable magic card and his mini-game mechanic is really neat and feels balanced to me.

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Post by RxPhantom » 11 months ago

This whole thing is scummy and troubling. It shakes my confidence in WotC to manage this game.

I kind of see the reasoning in a potential ban by the RC, but I feel that would cause a rift between them and WotC, and the consequences therein could be...well I don't even want to think about it.

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Post by BeneTleilax » 11 months ago

The RC has banned Griselbrand after he got an oversized card and a good deal of EDH hype, they banned trade secrets after it was in Commander precons. WotC can't do much more than grumble, especially given how much face they've already lost with this.
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Post by DirkGently » 11 months ago

FWIW, I don't hate the designs in a vacuum, if they had mtg names, art, and normal releases. It's just those three things that make me hate these with a fiery passion,

Oh, and I also Dislike how they made the tokens not-self-explanatory on the card. Ofc they do that with other main set mechanics, but I don't like doing it for such a small product, and also it's wildly unnecessary.

Seriously, TWD can eat my butt.
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Ask Three Visits how functional reprints affect the prices on EDH staples.
That's not really fair comparison - any deck that wants Nature's Lore wants 3 visits and vice versa. These don't seem like commanders you'd want a copy of in the 99, nor cards that are likely to get played in the 99 of other decks.
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Post by not-a-cube » 11 months ago

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I kind of see the reasoning in a potential ban by the RC, but I feel that would cause a rift between them and WotC, and the consequences therein could be...well I don't even want to think about it.
I feel the same way, the RC can ban them, but what stops wotc to institute their own RC and own banlist, which would then be applicable for all sanctioned events. With command zones being a thing at event now (although events aren't a thing with Covid now) and actual events like commandfest existing.

Either way, I just dislike this whole exclusives thing. I'm not going to buy any, I hope most ppl follow that idea, because with low sales, these might not be made again. (Even so, pretty sure they'll still try again some time later.)

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Post by Rumpy5897 » 11 months ago

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These don't seem like commanders you'd want a copy of in the 99
Double Negans would like a word. Suddenly Fleshbag becomes mana positive for some reason :P
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what stops wotc to institute their own RC and own banlist
The same thing that's kept the banlist in the hands of the RC so far. I doubt WotC would throw a hissy fit over an experimental product getting noped by the governing body of its biggest casual format.
 
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Rumpy5897 wrote:
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not-a-cube wrote:
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what stops wotc to institute their own RC and own banlist
The same thing that's kept the banlist in the hands of the RC so far. I doubt WotC would throw a hissy fit over an experimental product getting noped by the governing body of its biggest casual format.
They might get in to a pissing contest if they feel the RC undermines their product release by banning the cards before the release and so affecting sales. I do agree with you that it's not likely to happen and would be pretty dumb, but bruised ego's do dumb things.
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Post by toctheyounger » 11 months ago

not-a-cube wrote:
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Rumpy5897 wrote:
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not-a-cube wrote:
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what stops wotc to institute their own RC and own banlist
The same thing that's kept the banlist in the hands of the RC so far. I doubt WotC would throw a hissy fit over an experimental product getting noped by the governing body of its biggest casual format.
They might get in to a pissing contest if they feel the RC undermines their product release by banning the cards before the release and so affecting sales. I do agree with you that it's not likely to happen and would be pretty dumb, but bruised ego's do dumb things.
Well there's already a precedent of this having happened. Even recently with the otter companion. Much like the reserved list argument whereby collectors have had their shot at a lawsuit and passed it up so why should it be taken seriously in the future, wizards have had their chance at calling out the RC for dissent and passed it up so why now - especially for such small potatoes.

Besides that it'd be a waste of time. They know how the community feels about it even 24 hours into the release, and as Rumoy said commander is their most popular format. Why rock the boat when its going where they want it to?
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Post by Cyberium » 11 months ago

Seriously? Commanders in Secret Lair now?

I'm glad these two aren't up my ally, but if they receive a future-future Omnath pack where they include all six Omnath, that might change my mind, but this is shady and obviously targeting EDH players.

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Post by cryogen » 11 months ago

materpillar wrote:
11 months ago
cryogen wrote:
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TheAmericanSpirit wrote:
11 months ago
@BeneTleilax

Thankfully the cards therein seem legitimately terrible. I highly doubt that Negan is going to be knockung over cedh tables anytime soon.
I like the Mardu one as a possible stax commander.
I actually Negan quite a lot. I didn't watch any of the Walking Dead he was in but from what I know of him he's really flavorful. Ontop of which he just seems to be a very reasonable magic card and his mini-game mechanic is really neat and feels balanced to me.
If by flavorful, you mean a rapist. (From my understanding listening to discussions yesterday, I never watched the show)


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Post by Ginuqu » 11 months ago

This box set has helped me understand exactly why I don't like the Secret Lairs. attempts like these at geeky demographic marketing never sway me as much as unopened card packs. I'll only ever buy recent boosters or singles from the distant past cos that's half of what Magic is to me anyway, opening cards and working out what to do with them or finally getting your hands on cards you remember seeing another player use in an interesting way years and years ago.

re: the cards: I don't know anything about the show and the style doesn't work for me, so even if they had some of my favourite mechanics and abilities I'd never consider them. I felt the same way about the Godzilla things. I wouldn't begrudge another player for using them but they're not at all on my radar!
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Post by not-a-cube » 11 months ago

On the cards, I'm not a fan of the art, I agree with the other ppl who think they should have used the comic book drawings, but I suppose this is a collaboration with AMC and not Robert Kirkman.

Mechanics: I would have tried out the Negan card in my Queen Marchesa deck. It's a good way to kill just about any creature, it doesn't target, so hexproof isn't safe and it gets sacrificed, so indestructible dies aswel. Sigarda, Host of Herons wouldn't care about it.
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Post by RxPhantom » 11 months ago

Being a fan of the book and show, I can say that these cards are pretty great top-down designs based on their respective characters. I, like most of the community, hate the idea of exclusive cards coming directly from Wizards only. I'm also lukewarm on other IP's showing up in Magic, especially when they're black bordered and tournament legal.

There's also another angle I hadn't thought of until right now. I don't think I could show my face in an LGS with a Commander deck headed by one of these cards. It would feel kinda...tacky.
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Post by DirkGently » 11 months ago

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Being a fan of the book and show, I can say that these cards are pretty great top-down designs based on their respective characters.
So at first I thought the designs were reasonably decent (all other horribleness aside).

And I mean, they're ok, but on reflection they have a real "designed for arena" vibe to me.

-Michonne doesn't explain what the tokens are (for no good reason).
-How is Negan going to work in paper? I mean, if everyone is friends maybe you can count on people not to cheat, but if (god forbid) he ever makes it to a tournament, I can't think of any way to play him that doesn't require people to write down a card name on a piece of paper or some similar nonsense. Maybe if you give each creature a number and then each hide a die with the corresponding number? If it's 5 or less, maybe you can reveal fingers, but that still seems potentially cheatable. It just seems like a mess to actually resolve in practice.

The decision to base these on TWD truly baffles me. If they'd picked something more popular they'd probably have a lot more people on their side. I know if they'd done, say, Game of Thrones (especially if it was back when the show was great), a series with more popularity and more fitting with MtG's fantasy flavor, there'd be at least part of me that would be ambivalent about the idea. TWD feels pretty irrelevant, past its prime, frequently the target of internet ridicule, and WAY off flavor for a fantasy game. If you're going to introduce a heinous new business practice, why start so tacky right off the bat?

But will it actually matter? I don't know. If people buy them, and nobody quits the game over it, do they even care? At this rate of innocence-loss, I expect to be a hollow shell by 2021.
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Post by Wallycaine » 11 months ago

DirkGently wrote:
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RxPhantom wrote:
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Being a fan of the book and show, I can say that these cards are pretty great top-down designs based on their respective characters.
So at first I thought the designs were reasonably decent (all other horribleness aside).

And I mean, they're ok, but on reflection they have a real "designed for arena" vibe to me.

-Michonne doesn't explain what the tokens are (for no good reason).
-How is Negan going to work in paper? I mean, if everyone is friends maybe you can count on people not to cheat, but if (god forbid) he ever makes it to a tournament, I can't think of any way to play him that doesn't require people to write down a card name on a piece of paper or some similar nonsense. Maybe if you give each creature a number and then each hide a die with the corresponding number? If it's 5 or less, maybe you can reveal fingers, but that still seems potentially cheatable. It just seems like a mess to actually resolve in practice.
The weird part of that critique is that these cards are probably never going to actually show up in Arena. Making a secret choice has consistently been workable for legacy/commander cards, so I don't see why this would be any different. As you mention, it's fairly easy to resolve with dice if there's a reasonable number of creatures.
The decision to base these on TWD truly baffles me. If they'd picked something more popular they'd probably have a lot more people on their side. I know if they'd done, say, Game of Thrones (especially if it was back when the show was great), a series with more popularity and more fitting with MtG's fantasy flavor, there'd be at least part of me that would be ambivalent about the idea. TWD feels pretty irrelevant, past its prime, frequently the target of internet ridicule, and WAY off flavor for a fantasy game. If you're going to introduce a heinous new business practice, why start so tacky right off the bat?
At a guess, this is a case where "who would be willing to partner up to do this" was the more relevant factor than popularity. The Walking Dead is entering its last season, iirc, and as part of that is making a marketing push, which could easily include pushing for stuff like this, where, obviously, Game of Thrones has passed the point where the show needs marketing (and would probably prefer people stop thinking about it, given the disaster of the last season). So it needs to be a property with the combination of nerd demographic overlap, desire to promote a currently running something, and perhaps a touch of desperation to try something really out of the box.

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Post by ISBPathfinder » 11 months ago

As long as they make the cards super unappealing, I don't really care. Its not like I build every single commander from every commander product after all. I think its a problem from the standpoint that this is how it starts but what about when they make reasonable cards and print them like this. I don't want to see a situation where a sought after card gets printed new like this. These particular cards...... ehhhh fine. I just don't want to see it escalate to more than this in the future.

It is annoying that I still think we don't know what the walker tokens are. The fact that we have seen these cards but still don't know what the value of one of the cards is is annoying. Like, sure we all kind of assume its like a 2/2 zombie or worse but what if it isn't?
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Post by Hawk » 11 months ago

Michonne is probably just unplayable jank. Negan is very interesting and would play well in the 99 of some janky Mardu decks but is skippable. Sadly Glen, the Voice of Calm is more intriguing - Cold-Eyed Selkie in the command zone is probably better than Daxos of Meletis as a commander for a Voltron-y/Saboteur-y Azorius Deck as well as being imminently playable in the 99 of any deck based around those mechanics.

I don't like IPs invading our game. I do like the idea of DnD stuff coming up because that feels close enough, but seeing these guys or Godzilla across the table just feels...wrong. I love a lot of fandoms, but But no so wrong I would refuse to play with someone else who does enjoy these cards.

I do think that printing these as unique cards (instead of reskins like the Godzilla cards) that are eternal-legal (unlike the MLP or Transformer cards) is wrong and I loathe it. Give me a way to run these as "real" Magic cards or make them silver-bordered joke cards. Releasing them in a premium, direct-from-designer box that is intrinsically reserved and built to capitalize on FOMO is so wrong as to make me worry that this (alongside F.I.R.E. design and a global pandemic) might actually be what kills Magic. Hoping for a ban to learn Wizard's a lesson so they can turn this ship around.

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Post by onering » 11 months ago

DirkGently wrote:
11 months ago
RxPhantom wrote:
11 months ago
Being a fan of the book and show, I can say that these cards are pretty great top-down designs based on their respective characters.
So at first I thought the designs were reasonably decent (all other horribleness aside).

And I mean, they're ok, but on reflection they have a real "designed for arena" vibe to me.

-Michonne doesn't explain what the tokens are (for no good reason).
-How is Negan going to work in paper? I mean, if everyone is friends maybe you can count on people not to cheat, but if (god forbid) he ever makes it to a tournament, I can't think of any way to play him that doesn't require people to write down a card name on a piece of paper or some similar nonsense. Maybe if you give each creature a number and then each hide a die with the corresponding number? If it's 5 or less, maybe you can reveal fingers, but that still seems potentially cheatable. It just seems like a mess to actually resolve in practice.

The decision to base these on TWD truly baffles me. If they'd picked something more popular they'd probably have a lot more people on their side. I know if they'd done, say, Game of Thrones (especially if it was back when the show was great), a series with more popularity and more fitting with MtG's fantasy flavor, there'd be at least part of me that would be ambivalent about the idea. TWD feels pretty irrelevant, past its prime, frequently the target of internet ridicule, and WAY off flavor for a fantasy game. If you're going to introduce a heinous new business practice, why start so tacky right off the bat?

But will it actually matter? I don't know. If people buy them, and nobody quits the game over it, do they even care? At this rate of innocence-loss, I expect to be a hollow shell by 2021.
Look on the bright side, by choosing such a bad IP to intro this practice with, they ensured that everyone would hate it, whereas if they chose something people actually liked it may have divided the community. Never interrupt an adversary when they're punching themselves in the dick.

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Post by onering » 11 months ago

I've set a house rule (since I host) for my playgroup that these are allowed, but only if they are proxies and only if they retheme them to something magic related.

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Post by able archer » 11 months ago

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Well there's already a precedent of this having happened. Even recently with the otter companion.
Different case studies. For Lutri, the RC was told by WotC in advance, "hey this card that would really mess up the format is coming, you should ban him." No such communications for TWD cards have been made/discussed, so the RC could really foul up their goodwill with WotC by undermining their authority with a ban.

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Post by Dunharrow » 11 months ago

I can't say much that hasn't already been said. What I wonder is if these had been characters from Lord of the Rings, would I feel compelled to buy them? I mean, I have two pieces of LOTR art, read all the books multiple times (including Silmarillion et al.), and know the movies better than my oldest commander deck. I think despite my misgivings I would buy them.

I really do not want to support Secret Lair. It is prohibitively expensive. I got the Theros Gods because Theros was my favourite set and because I love greek mythology - got hit with 80$ in duty into Canada. It is a really frustrating way to release cards.

Hope the RC takes a firm stance on these, but doubt they will. It is not like these will be format-defining cards for Commander.
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Post by DirkGently » 11 months ago

Hawk wrote:
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Glen, the Voice of Calm is more intriguing - Cold-Eyed Selkie in the command zone is probably better than Daxos of Meletis as a commander for a Voltron-y/Saboteur-y Azorius Deck as well as being imminently playable in the 99 of any deck based around those mechanics.
The wording on Glenn is really strange imo. Why isn't it just worded the same as selkie, "draw that many cards"? I guess it's technically different, in the situation where the damage is being partially (but not fully) prevented, or it's somehow trampling over a blocker, but it's just ugly imo.

Even if I was feeling tempted (I'm not) they aren't even available in NZ. Which makes me happy to know I won't have to play against anybody playing one of the stupid things anytime soon. Yet another reason to never go back to the states...
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Post by toctheyounger » 11 months ago

able archer wrote:
11 months ago
Different case studies. For Lutri, the RC was told by WotC in advance, "hey this card that would really mess up the format is coming, you should ban him." No such communications for TWD cards have been made/discussed, so the RC could really foul up their goodwill with WotC by undermining their authority with a ban.
I don't think it's that much of a leap, although to be fair it probably meets ban criteria (at this point in time) on a different axis than Lutri did, that of perceived financial barrier to entry. That doesn't see much use anymore with the RL fixated as it is, and very few cards worth thousands, and while these won't get there, the fact that most of the world will never see them is probably enough to push them over the line. I guess if they're ever reprinted it could change, but things do come off the banlist, so it's not like it's a forever thing.

Also - viewtopic.php?f=38&t=16

Personally the way I see it is the RC is there to look after the health of the format as best they see fit, not to endorse the %$#% business practices of a corporation looking to make a quick buck from exclusive premium product. In fact, in a format that proclaims itself for the people primarily, I don't see how they could do anything other than at least issue a temporary ban or advocate for rule 0 here, especially when a significant portion of the community has gone out of its way to make itself known.

As an aside, what a weird fandom to represent - as @Dunharrow said, if LOTR were the pick, I'd be a lot more tempted. It's all a moot point from NZ though, at present I'll never see these products. I couldn't care less, I have no interest in TWD whatsoever, but if it were Middle Earth/Tolkien, I'd be pissed. I sing the Misty Mountain song to my kid every night to get him to sleep, more or less visit Hobbiton annually and rewatch the movies/reread the books on a regular basis, so I'd 100% want the preciouses.

Nonetheless, I don't really like the idea of WotC bleeding over into fandoms as a rule - it feels a bit like cheating on the lore of the multiverse, and while the story arcs have been patchy in places, it still feels a bit like jumping the shark, which to me is worse than a bad story arc. Especially for something so definitively real life inspired. It's just a bit cringe.
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Post by UnfulfilledDesires » 11 months ago

It's vexing that WotC literally already did what the needed to do with these to assure community acceptance, but chose not to bother here. If they'd given these the Zilortha, Strength Incarnate treatment, folks wouldn't be nearly as upset.

I know nothing about The Walking Dead, so these characters are all new to me. Negan, the Cold-Blooded would be pretty solid for my Saskia legendary-matters deck. It's a super Nekrataal for five, essentially, which ain't bad. I might buy the drop and use a rethemed proxy, which folks have already made.

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